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UPDATE: Another "Beware of CreationWatches In the Event of a Problem" Thread . . .

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. . . long story sorta short. Bought an Orient Star dress watch at a very good price from CreationWatches in January 2015. The good news: arrived in record time. The bad news: it's a dud. Bad canon pin. Minute hand was slipping. Took it to a local watch repair outfit figuring that if its an easy fix, I'll save time and hassle fixing it locally and asking for reimbursement. Problem: it's an Orient part. Can't be ordered.

Issue number 1: While Creation advertises a "1 Year Orient International Warranty", that's not the case. Orient's LA certified repair facility wouldn't touch it because CW is grey market. NOT happy. So $30 later, it's off to Singapore for repair in mid-February. Arrived safely in 10 days.

Issue No. 2: This thing has fallen into a black hole. Requests for updates are greeted with "we'll let you know". In June, they apologize for the delay telling me that "it arrived at the third party repair facility in June" and they've asked for expedited treatment. Meaning it sat around their Singapore location for over 3 months before it went to repairs. REALLY not happy.

So finally in July I've had enough. I tell them that I've moved on and simply want a refund. Yes, yes, I know I'm outside the refund period and yes, yes, I know I've sent it off for repair. But I'm simply not interested anymore. Refund the money to my PayPal account, keep the watch and we'll call it good - no hard feelings. Some purchases just don't work out. Unfortunately, my requests for a refund are simply ignored - I get the same stock "we'll let you know when repairs are complete" message. I try again - "Look, I want a refund. Please advise". Response: "we'll contact you when it comes back from repair". Like talking to a wall.

Maybe I've been spoiled buying from US micros - Bernhardt is a perfect example. Fred Amos bends over backwards in the event of a problem. CW just can't be bothered.

CreationWatches is terrific when it comes to purchases where everything goes right - fast shipping, good prices. But if there's a warranty issue, well . . . it's just not worth it. I've bought from CW before but this is the last time. The price does not justify the the brain damage in the event something is wrong.

I've learned my lesson - international grey market buyer beware.

UPDATE:

In the unlikely event anybody cares about this - or for the merely curious - we are nearing resolution.

The good: after 2 tries with 2 different repair shops, the watch is repaired.

The bad: CreationWatches now wants me to pay for international shipping back to me AND pay them an extra $20.00 for the repair. This is a warranty repair, mind you, on watch that was broken right out of the box. So adding up the $30 I paid to ship this thing back to Singapore, the $20 for the warranty work and the return ship, this watch will have cost me an extra $70.00. I told them to eat the costs and ship the watch - pronto.

We'll see what happens. But never again with these folks.
 
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Re: Another "Beware of CreationWatches In the Event of a Problem" Thread . . .

I feel for you but asking for a refund was probably wishful thinking. I read through the prior long post about creation when I was considering buying a watch from them and getting a refund from them is about as painful as pulling teeth without novocaine. Still doesn't excuse the length of "warranty" service you've had to endure.

Seems like buying from creation is like a game of Russian roulette. You gotta weigh the possibility of getting burned against the discounted prices they offer.
 
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Re: Another "Beware of CreationWatches In the Event of a Problem" Thread . . .

So..... 7 months later, and you want a refund now? Yeah, good luck with that one. You did a good thing paying with PayPal. If CW sends you a dud, PayPal will refund your money if CW isn't helpful. Not after 7 months though.
 
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Re: Another "Beware of CreationWatches In the Event of a Problem" Thread . . .

Its just better to stay with eBay or Amazon that have solid return policies. Sorry for your trouble though. I just dont buy watches directly from grey sellers.......I only use them when I can get the watch through eBay or Amazon. If they dont have it, I dont need it.
 
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Its just better to stay with eBay or Amazon that have solid return policies. Sorry for your trouble though. I just dont buy watches directly from grey sellers.......I only use them when I can get the watch through eBay or Amazon. If they dont have it, I dont need it.
Yup. After getting my above mentioned refund, I re-purchased the same watch through Amazon (ships & sold by Amazon) to avoid further drama...
 
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Re: Another "Beware of CreationWatches In the Event of a Problem" Thread . . .

That really stinks man. I hope you get the watch back in good working order soon...and hopefully for minimal repair cost. For what its worth though (to others that happen upon this), Paypal's coverage, while decent, is not without caveats. For items valued over 250 that have to be returned to the seller, they require signed-for delivery, which can get quite expensive when going international and with full insurance for the value of the watch...

Also, its worth noting that if a seller claims a watch has full MANUFACTURER warranty and the manufacturer declines warranty service on the grounds that the seller isn't an authorized dealer (and therefore cannot provide a manufacturers warranty), Paypal will refund you. In my case, it worked out, but it has to be within the 6 month window for claims. The thread below shows my very recent experience with this very issue. I also got refunded my shipping charges for sending the watch to the manufacturer and back and then again back to the seller.

https://www.watchuseek.com/f17/what-do-you-mean-no-warranty-my-casio-2120770.html
 
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Re: Another "Beware of CreationWatches In the Event of a Problem" Thread . . .

All good thoughts, thanks.

And I'm well aware that asking for a refund 7 months down the road is a little off-the-menu. This isn't my first internet purchase. Not even my first international e-purchase. I know the rules. But it's not like I wore the thing for weeks and decided I didn't like it. They have the watch. They've had it for half a year. While I expected the refund request to get rebuffed, I was expecting a little more "Gee, we're sorry and you have a right up be upset. Let us make it up to you by (fill in the blank)" . But I got none of that.

Lesson learned.
 
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Re: Another "Beware of CreationWatches In the Event of a Problem" Thread . . .

Sorry for the situation, DenverBuff. The only good news, at least for the rest of us, is that we are reminded once again that we have far better odds of getting a high-quality product (and aftercare) buying from someone selling on F29 than from Creation Watches. Looks like Amazon and Overstock will get more of my future business.
 
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Re: Another "Beware of CreationWatches In the Event of a Problem" Thread . . .

I've read far more horror stories than good ones on them so I decided a long time ago to never buy from them. Unfortunately many people assume it'll never happen to them and I doubt they care about a little lost business. In a very long thread about someone else's bad experience they chimed in worn excuses and that they'd be fixing their customer service. Obviously they lied.

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Is anyone else thinking that if they tried to sell on f29 Creation would have been banned as a scammer a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago......?
Well, Creation Watches is a Watchuseek sponsor and it does occasionally advertise on F29...
 
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Re: Another "Beware of CreationWatches In the Event of a Problem" Thread . . .

I'm not looking to slag a legit seller over a defective product. Stuff happens. And CW does sell legit stuff at good prices with very fast shipping.

But don't tell people that there's a "1 year international Orient warranty" . . . when that's not true. That's what chapped me. Not looking for special treatment. Just honesty and an effort to make a bad situation right.
 
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Maybe i am,just a newby but why are they a sponsor and have poor service. Many ways they could make this right

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. . . long story sorta short. Bought an Orient Star dress watch at a very good price from CreationWatches in January 2015. The good news: arrived in record time. The bad news: it's a dud. Bad canon pin. Minute hand was slipping. Took it to a local watch repair outfit figuring that if its an easy fix, I'll save time and hassle fixing it locally and asking for reimbursement. Problem: it's an Orient part. Can't be ordered.

Issue number 1: While Creation advertises a "1 Year Orient International Warranty", that's not the case. Orient's LA certified repair facility wouldn't touch it because CW is grey market. NOT happy. So $30 later, it's off to Singapore for repair in mid-February. Arrived safely in 10 days.

Issue No. 2: This thing has fallen into a black hole. Requests for updates are greeted with "we'll let you know". In June, they apologize for the delay telling me that "it arrived at the third party repair facility in June" and they've asked for expedited treatment. Meaning it sat around their Singapore location for over 3 months before it went to repairs. REALLY not happy.

So finally in July I've had enough. I tell them that I've moved on and simply want a refund. Yes, yes, I know I'm outside the refund period and yes, yes, I know I've sent it off for repair. But I'm simply not interested anymore. Refund the money to my PayPal account, keep the watch and we'll call it good - no hard feelings. Some purchases just don't work out. Unfortunately, my requests for a refund are simply ignored - I get the same stock "we'll let you know when repairs are complete" message. I try again - "Look, I want a refund. Please advise". Response: "we'll contact you when it comes back from repair". Like talking to a wall.

Maybe I've been spoiled buying from US micros - Bernhardt is a perfect example. Fred Amos bends over backwards in the event of a problem. CW just can't be bothered.

CreationWatches is terrific when it comes to purchases where everything goes right - fast shipping, good prices. But if there's a warranty issue, well . . . it's just not worth it. I've bought from CW before but this is the last time. The price does not justify the the brain damage in the event something is wrong.

I've learned my lesson - international grey market buyer beware.

UPDATE:

In the unlikely event anybody cares about this - or for the merely curious - we are nearing resolution.

The good: after 2 tries with 2 different repair shops, the watch is repaired.

The bad: CreationWatches now wants me to pay for international shipping to back me AND pay them an extra $20.00 for the repair. This is a warranty repair, mind you, on watch that was broken right out of the box. So adding up the $30 I paid to ship this thing back to Singapore, the $20 for the warranty work and the return ship, this watch will have cost me an extra $70.00. I told them to eat the costs and ship the watch - pronto.

We'll see what happens. But never again with these folks.
You HAVE to be freaking kidding! That kind of BS really gives me the slow burn. You need to PM the rep from this site and see if they step up to help you.
 
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Re: Another "Beware of CreationWatches In the Event of a Problem" Thread . . .

UPDATE:

In the unlikely event anybody cares about this - or for the merely curious - we are nearing resolution.

The good: after 2 tries with 2 different repair shops, the watch is repaired.

The bad: CreationWatches now wants me to pay for international shipping to back me AND pay them an extra $20.00 for the repair. This is a warranty repair, mind you, on watch that was broken right out of the box. So adding up the $30 I paid to ship this thing back to Singapore, the $20 for the warranty work and the return ship, this watch will have cost me an extra $70.00. I told them to eat the costs and ship the watch - pronto.

We'll see what happens. But never again with these folks.
That's absolute garbage on a watch which was defective when you got it......

Well, Creation Watches is a Watchuseek sponsor and it does occasionally advertise on F29...
Ah how I yearn for the olden days, when private sellers vastly outnumbered sponsors.......
 
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Re: Another "Beware of CreationWatches In the Event of a Problem" Thread . . .

Apologies if this is not the appropriate thread for my post as I did not have a problem with the product itself; but I want to recount my experience with creationwatches for the benefit of others:

I have bought from them before and fortunately I had no problems. But after my last two orders I'll be staying away from them.

BAD EXPERIENCE #1

Without going into all the details I should mention that the whole issue really was due to bad communication on the part of the courier service DHL, but once I've made them aware of the problem they went out of their way to resolve the problem. Creationwatches Customer Care, on the other hand, showed no interest whatsoever in helping to resolve the issue.

The package arrived in my country and was awaiting payment of import duties before being cleared. DHL unfortunately failed to send me an invoice even though I contacted them several times requesting the same. At the same time creationwatches kept sending me emails requesting me to contact the courier. After the third or fourth message, I contacted them and explained that I was still awaiting details from DHL regarding the amount owed. Their reply consisted of nothing more than an extract from their terms and conditions regarding the customer's responsibility in paying import duties, essentially implying that I've been trying to avoid doing so. The whole experience left a bid of a bad taste in the mouth but I didn't get too upset about it all.

BAD EXPERIENCE #2

Some time had passed and I placed another order, details of which follows below.

On 20 July 2015 I placed an order for two Seiko watches, a model SRP645K1 ($185) and model SARZ003 ($205) for a total of $390 excluding shipping.

I then received an email from creationwatches informing me that the SRP645K1 would be sent from Singapore via DHL while the SARZ003 would be sent directly from Japan via EMS speed post.

The alarm bells should have started ringing when I checked the order status on creationwatches.com website and noticed that it did not even list any information regarding the SARZ003, but only showed the SRPK645K1 at $390 plus $29 shipping; unfortunately I assumed at the time that the order status would still be updated with correct and complete information.

DHL then sent me a pre-clearance notice regarding the import duties owed and I proceeded with payment of said amount. However, when I took delivery of the watch and looked at the invoice, I noticed that it included the total of $390 for both watches. Being concerned about being charged customs fees again once the second shipment arrives I sent creationwatches an email giving them a very detailed description of my problem and asking them for a response to three questions.

1. I requested that they update/correct the order status on their website.
2. I requested that they update me on the shipping status of SARZ003.
3 I gave a detailed explanation regarding the invoice and customs duties already paid on the total order, stating that I should not be liable for any further customs fees once the SARZ003 arrived in my country. I asked them to confirm this and advise me.

The response from creationwatches customer care was pathetic, to say the least.

1. Creationwatches didn't bother updating the order status.
2. They confirmed that the order for SARZ003 was still being processed and reiterated that it would be sent directly from Japan.
3. The most important question was completely ignored and left unanswered by them.

On 14 August 2015 I received notification from my local post office that SARZ003 is ready for collection and that, as I feared, I owed $40 in import duties.

I promptly went ahead and completed my review of the transaction on creationwatches.com, as requested by them in an earlier email - which I quote below:

"Poor customer service. My order included two watches which were dispatched separately. I was invoiced for both watches with the first shipment, and then again for one watch with the second shipment which means that I've been overcharged on import duties by $40. I realized the possibility of this happening after receiving the first shipment and looking at the invoice but my email query raising my concerns was ignored. I will not be buying from your company again."

Not surprisingly, my review is nowhere to be found on creationwatches.com

Even more ironic is the fact that, while an order is being processed, creationwatches customer care send the customer these apparently friendly little emails thanking the latter for shopping with them, asking for feedback, and inviting the customer to contact them with any queries; but when put to the test, they become unhelpful, evasive, and even rude.

I will never buy from this shop again, and I want my experience to serve as a warning to unsuspecting customers out there. Shop from creationwatches.com at your own peril.
 
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I just ordered from CW earlier this week, delivery is expected on Monday. This thread does have me a little worried, but in general, people are more likely to take the time to write up a complaint on an online forum than they are to say that everything went well. Or they're at least more likely to go in to detail about a bad experience than they are a good one. If you read through car enthusiast forums enough, you'd think that not a single manufacturer on the planet is capable of making a reliable car!

I don't mean to disagree with any of your complaints though. The issues are real, and to the credit of those who have complained about CW, it does seem there are more posts about negative experiences with them compared to other grey market dealers. However, I'll add that I've also read a lot of positive things about CW here. I just mean to point out that online forums tend to skew negatively when it comes to general perceptions of quality and service (though they don't always do so).

It may help if you buy through CW's eBay store and pay via PayPal, which is what I did with my most recent order. I'll report back if anything goes wrong with it.
 
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Smart way to go.....eBay and PayPal have awesome buyer protection. Just make sure that if you do have to return it, dont let them talk you into returning it outside of the eBay system. Many listings state that a buyer has to return it directly and that is false. Only go through eBay in case of a problem and you will fine.