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I'm ready to buy my first submariner. I would love an older 5513 without the white gold surrounds but I can't afford that quite yet. I found a 5513 from 1988 or a 14060 from 2005. Both are no date. The 14060 is in great shape. The 5513 has no bracelet and the hands are a lighter shade of yellow than the hour markers. Which bothers me a bit but with time I'm sure it will even out, right?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Does one have any advantage over the other? The price is the same for both.
 
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The 5513 and 14060 are true Submariner, the watches with a date complication are called "Submariner date".

It depends if you only collect or if you plan on using that Submariner!

- A 14060 has still plenty of "active duty" available, a 5513 not as much unless it is expansively maintained.

- A 2005 14060 has still working "Luminova" while a 1988 5513 has dead or nearly dead Tritium.

- A 5513 has the "user friendly" omnidirectional press to turn bezel, while the 14060 has the idiotproof unfriendly anticlockwise click bezel.


A bracelet for the 5513 will cost an arm, if the 14060 comes with its bracelet there is a large difference in value.
 
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I am generally a fan of new or at least newer Watches. However, I love the 5513 as well as the 5517. My vote out of these two (5513 vs 14060) would be the 5513 but I tend to agree with Toothbras, to purchase a brand new 114060.
 
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If you are buying vintage purely as a collector, wait to find a complete 5513 with verifiable service history. A watch from 1988 could have seen a few services where hands, dials, crystals, bezel insert, etc. could have been replaced and are therefore no longer original. As for a 14060 from 2005, it's new enough that it may have yet to be serviced or been serviced once at the most and will give you decades of use with lower cost. That said, I'm partial to modern, so 114060 would be my choice. The upgrades are too significant to overlook.
 
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Like a vintage car, a vintage rolex can bring you many joy as well as many headaches.

They are tough watch but if the upkeep been off, you will be hit with a massive bill. Parts such as matching handset, pearl and dial is getting harder to come by.

For a seasoned rolex collector the vintage route would be refreshing. For your first rolex, go with the modern 14060 or the m version.

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iam7head said:
Like a vintage car, a vintage rolex can bring you many joy as well as many headaches.

They are tough watch but if the upkeep been off, you will be hit with a massive bill. Parts such as matching handset, pearl and dial is getting harder to come by.

For a seasoned rolex collector the vintage route would be refreshing. For your first rolex, go with the modern 14060 or the m version.

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This is your opinion. I have a 5513, and I don't care about resale value or 'value retention' because I don't ever plan to sell it. There is no more upkeep to my 5513 when compared to my 14060M or any of my other Rolex watches.

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I just re-read your post and understand your point better. I agree.......if the watch hasn't been properly maintained, it can be very expensive to bring back to reasonable working order. I don't personally see the hands being a shade or two off a big deal as long as it has had a service at some point and is in proper condition otherwise.
 
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So I was all set on the 14060 after reading all your recommendations but I have one more watch to throw into the mix. Just found a Tudor 7016/0 for the same price ($3800) as the 14060. The pros for me of the Tudor is that it doesn't have the white gold surrounds and has a nice patina. The Tudor doesn't come with the bracelet.

Any advice and or insight you can offer between the 14060 and the Tudor 7016/0? Which one has the potential to hold it's value more (or increase)? Considering they're the same price, what would you get?

Thanks again!
 
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ymanchik said:
So I was all set on the 14060 after reading all your recommendations but I have one more watch to throw into the mix. Just found a Tudor 7016/0 for the same price ($3800) as the 14060. The pros for me of the Tudor is that it doesn't have the white gold surrounds and has a nice patina. The Tudor doesn't come with the bracelet.

Any advice and or insight you can offer between the 14060 and the Tudor 7016/0? Which one has the potential to hold it's value more (or increase)? Considering they're the same price, what would you get?

Thanks again!
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14060 for me between those two. I like vintage Tudor watches, but feel that their prices have increased drastically over the last several years. I would always choose Rolex over Tudor for equal price.

JMHO
 
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I digress, but how cool would a Rolex Submariner 5517 be:

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ymanchik said:
So I was all set on the 14060 after reading all your recommendations but I have one more watch to throw into the mix. Just found a Tudor 7016/0 for the same price ($3800) as the 14060. The pros for me of the Tudor is that it doesn't have the white gold surrounds and has a nice patina. The Tudor doesn't come with the bracelet.

Any advice and or insight you can offer between the 14060 and the Tudor 7016/0? Which one has the potential to hold it's value more (or increase)? Considering they're the same price, what would you get?

Thanks again!
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The Tudor 7016/0 offered at USD 3800 without bracelet is a bit overestimated (has most likely a service dial).

The 14060 from 2005 at USD 3800 is underestimated if in good condition.
 
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ymanchik said:
This is super helpful, thank you.

I really like the domed crystal of the 5513's, does the 14060 have that?
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The 14060 has a flat scratch resistant sapphire Crystal, as opposed to the scratch magnet high dome of the early 5513.

The flat sapphire Crystal is practical, the 14060 is only 12,3mm thick against the 15mm of the original (*) domed 5513, but the look and feel of the domed acrylic Crystal is great.

A serviced 5513 may have a flatter "service Crystal" installed as a relacement if the original Crystal was found baldly scratched or with cracks at the base.

Picture of the 14060 flat "uncoated" sapphire Crystal.
 

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