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Yes, must be getting close to 1800 posts. I am an idiot.
bill
Been there since 2002 myself with over 10,000 posts. I think I'm the bigger idiot. Here's one of my threads from 2005 regarding Copper Canyon.

Recently, I've cut w-a-y back and don't post too much. Threads that I do keep up with are the one regarding watches & kayaks.

Here's my goodbye to the 950 thread which explains my changing priorities in life. Since that thread, I've completed the Alabama trip and will be in the Amazon in almost 90-days.

I'm still working out and making good progress - my leg-press went from 155 pounds to 400, I can do 130 crunches with 80 pounds and just this morning, I saw something on the scales that I have seen since the early 90's..... 206 pounds - from a high of pushing 245. I'm down to almost a 38" waist from a 44". I'm in better shape than most 30 year olds.

Time on advrider is enjoyable but ultimately, too much time on any site can be time not spend doing things that will benefit you more.

Like - going to the gym... talk to you later. :-d
 
Although I am relatively new to this forum, I did get here in time to get on board for the Kingston (phase 2 order). However, I was initially searching for a good utilitarian quartz watch with a long-life battery and either tritium tubes or very good lume. I gave serious consideration to two Precista models by Timefactors, but neither design was that appealing to me.

Although the Kingston was a bit of a impulse buy, and I would never want in a quartz configuration, there are two other MKII designs which I like and believe would be good considerations to offer as a quartz model, and they are the Vantage and the Blackwater. I like both, although the Vantage would probably be a better fit on my 6 1/2 inch wrist. Either way, I definitely concur with the sentiment and recommendation for a MKII quartz model.

Thanks to Bill, for continuing to listen to the input from his customers, and providing such desirable results.
 
Revisiting the question, I realized my contribution to the discussion has been piecemeal and solution specific. That's probably the wrong approach to take for what is essentially a basic VOC discussion, my aplogies.

So, in that spirit, here's my $0.02 US. For me a perfect quartz tool watch would be:
  1. Classic, matte black dial diver in appearance, much like Bill's current stable.
  2. Titanium case - light weight and non-magnetic
  3. Long life battery, with some sort of unobtrusive low battery indicator (like the usual double second jump for a low battery).
  4. Ideally, a user replaceable batter (what if I'm in the middle of nowhere when the battery starts to go south?).
  5. Anti-magnetic movement non-ferro magnetic hands etc.
  6. 42mm Case
  7. 30mm dial
  8. 22mm lug width
  9. Thick, crylic crystal, like Rolex used to use.
  10. Tritium tube makers, like the ones on the CSAR. In fact, if this tool watch were a chronograph, I'd say the CSAR dial would be just about ideal, just the way it is. I'd buy one if the whole watch weren't so freaking big.
  11. Tritium tube hands, but with notably longer minute hand - again, like the CSAR
  12. Date only, at the 4:30 position, C-3 super luminova white on black numerals.
  13. Unidirectional 5-55 minute diver bezel, like the CSAR. I could live with a 1-12 hr insert though, like the Blackwater / Benrus Type I
  14. Trit tube "pip" at the 0/12 position on the bezel.
  15. 200 meters WR.
  16. Option of spring bars, screwed pins, or solid bars. For spring or screwed bars, use the toughest ones we can.
  17. Strap choices to include a nice, LONG length tropic style strap (for warm weather comfort), but with only a 2mm taper. I love the old style basket weave look with small perforations, but this would need to be thick enough at the lug end to match the watch, while thinning appropriately, down toward the buckle .
  18. An optional accessory / spare part kit, to at least include a couple of sets of spare spring or screwed bars, a spring bar tool or screw driver (as appropriate), a spare bezel insert, and a couple of spare acrylic crystals. These are the sort of things you are likely to ding up and need to replace at some point. Also, maybe a tube of poly watch? The accessory kit could be an extra charge option though, to keep costs down for those on a budget (though I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at one as a freebie for pre-ordering;-)).
Of course, an even cooler approach would be to also have options to configure it for the individual user, just like almost all MK II watches. Perhaps at a minimum, a dial / hand set that does NOT use tritium tubes, but either the usual C1, or the brighter C3 super-luminova? A couple of options there would be great, especially if you could buy a set of both, in case you changed your mind after owning for a bit, or the trit tubes began to dim. Another option choice could be between diver and a 12 hour bezel insert.

Finally, I'd want the MK II logo on the dial, the sterile dial approach doesn't usually appeal to me.

Of course it isn't like Bill doesn't already have enough on his plate.:-d

Sorry for the long post, but what the heck.
 
A watchcase is made for a specific movement, and unless a quartz movement would have the same dimentions as the ETA automatic movement (2824-2) or whatever movement a watch was made for, it wouldn't fit. Additionally there would be different movement clamps, etc. that would need to be made to fit the movement within the watch.
 
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Thanks Obie. Please excuse my ignorance on these matters; I'm trying to learn.

Would you happen to know anything about the ETA Thermoline (thermo-compensated quartz) movements? Link: http://www.swisstime.ch/pgs/rwi-pgs-prod-lgs-en-idp-1531.html
Are they prohibitively expensive? Are there greater technical challenges in using these compared to the ubiquitous 2824?

Would Bill or any of the other MKII fans be interested in an MKII super quartz?
 
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the ISA 1198 is the closest substitute to the 2824 but like Obie said then you have the have a new movement ring made for it.
Is that considered a decent (durability, accuracy) movement? A quick Google search reveals: http://www.pmwf.com/Phorum/read.php?4,74760,75053 So it seems that it's used in some of the Marathon watches.

Have you given any recent thought on the quartz project based on the interest in this thread? Would this be something that would happen in the far future because of other projects in the works?

Thanks.
 
Would Bill or any of the other MKII fans be interested in an MKII super quartz?
i'm still interested in a high quality quartz tool watch. the closest i've seen so far is the seiko sbcm 023

http://www.higuchi-inc.com/seikoperdiver.html

and the marathon.

it would be nice if someone would combine the best aspects of both of those watches.
(in my mind, the dial of the marathon with the movement/battery of the seiko).
 
Is that considered a decent (durability, accuracy) movement? A quick Google search reveals: http://www.pmwf.com/Phorum/read.php?4,74760,75053 So it seems that it's used in some of the Marathon watches.

Have you given any recent thought on the quartz project based on the interest in this thread? Would this be something that would happen in the far future because of other projects in the works?

Thanks.
I have something in mind but it probably wouldn't be ready until 2011 and that is assuming that I get this idea off the ground. Right now it is literally just an idea.
 
Re: I guess we will see if there are any other interest...

You know, Precista makes the Titan Commander, which is exactly what you are looking for.

From Timefacors:

Case
Brushed titanium case with polished screw back, sapphire crystal with anti-reflective coating, screw down crown, unidirectional carbon fibre bezel and water resistant to 200 metres/660 feet. The black dial has luminous glass vials at each hour point and also on the hands, including the seconds hand. The vials shine pale green in colour except the vial at 12, which shines red.
Dimensions

46mm diameter to the tip of the crown (40mm for bezel), 45.5mm lug tip to lug tip and 11mm thick. Lug spacing is 22mm and the watch head alone weighs just 40 grammes.

Movement

Ronda quartz 5 jewels with 40 month battery life and EOL (end of life indicator). Supplied with 12 months guarantee and choice of NATO or Rhino strap, please indicate which in the "comments" box on the order form, thank you.

No. Fixed. Bars. Sigh...

Link: http://www.timefactors.com/precista.htm Last watch at the bottom of the page.
Isn't that just a Traser in all but name?
 
Personally, I find a timing bezel pretty handy in the woods. A chronograph function could be overkill for my uses, but might still be useful for some people. For me though, it would probably just look cool, and never get used except in town. Still, assuming it didn't add weight or some other drawback it would be better to have a function you never actually need than need one you don't have.

I think the traditional field watch was an outgrowth of the earlier military issue watches, and a product of the days before rotating bezels and chrono functions being common place. Rather than fewer functions, I suspect it was mainly distinguished from other watches by it's plain but legible dial and more rugged construction. The other,fancier watches just didn't have the rotating bezel either, and chronographs were probably too delicate.

Just my $.02 though, YMMV.
 
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