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The Search for a Brass Watch
As I browsed this forum I began to start by viewing as many watches as I could from the WRUW threads in f71. I figured that I would eventually find more watches that I would think would be perfect for my collection. I intended on only purchasing one watch for this year, however that did not happen. I began to also look at the watches in the dive watch section of the forums before seeing some unique and beautiful examples of patina on a brass watch. That was the point I knew I needed a Bronze/Brass watch in my collection. I decided against a bronze diver only because of how expensive it would be compared to a brass diver ($1,300 for Bronze compared to $350-400 for Brass). I checked the Helson website a few times a month and it normally had nothing in stock in the 40mm section, but last month they had several divers including some unique jade dial options. I would have gone for the Zelos Hammerhead, but I missed out on the pre-order and I have a feeling that the watch would be too big for my wrist. I was thinking about getting the version with the mother of pearl dial, but it looked a little too flashy to me and I needed something unique and subtle...and this watch fits the bill! This review was delayed for a few reasons which I will get to soon, but with that said...on to the review!

The Specifications
Case: 40mm Brass, 12mm Height, 20mm Lug Width, and 49.5mm Lug Length
Crystal: 3mm thick Sapphire crystal with AR inside
Water Resistance: 500m
Caseback: Titanium
Lume: Swiss SuperLuminova
Movement: Seiko NH35 24 Jewel Automatic
Crown: Screwed down crown with crown protectors

The Review
The watch itself when I received it was quite substantial for its size! On my wrist it also looked bigger than my NTH Scorpène and my SKX007! I think that it might be due to the crown protectors and the lug length, but I am glad that I waited for the 40mm option rather than the 42mm because that would have likely been too big for my wrist. The dial is one of the biggest reasons I purchased this watch and comparing it to the stock photo on their website the jade dial I received was pretty different in pattern to the one on their website. Even though the dial is jade, it reminds me a little bit of the meteorite dials that other brands are starting to incorporate into their watches. The crown action is solid and the hand winding is solid. The bezel action is pretty solid, it is not as great as the Scorpène, but it is better than my Orient and SKX007. The rotor is not as noisy as the 9015 Miyota movement, but it is a 21,600 BPH compared to the 9015 which is 28,800 BPH which makes the Helson have a second hand that is not as smooth as a 9015 movement. The movement is also able to hack and hand wind which is always welcome because having to shake my watch to get it started just feels silly.The water resistance is the highest in my entire collection however I do not see myself ever being under 500 meters of water, but it is nice that it is capable of this much water resistance. The lume was better than I expected too! I expected it to be just as good as the SKX007, but it actually out performed it! I still prefer the lume of my NTH, but the Helson did glow the longest out of all the watches in my collection! The strap is quite nice, but it was a little stiff and it will take some time to break in.

The Confusion...
Changing the straps on the Helson was...interesting to say the least only because I was not used to a Hex lug style. Luckily Helson does include a strap changing tool to help you change the rubber strap to a Leather or NATO strap, but it took me a day to realize that you could unscrew part of the tool to reveal a second tool to remove both Hex screws. I delayed this review because last week after picking up the watch and wearing it during the day I noticed that my watch was several hours too slow. I wore it for another day and watched it carefully to see why it might be doing this. After about half an hour of wearing it I noticed the second hand had stopped and that if I began hand winding it that it would continue to move, but would stop again after around 10 minutes. This lead me to almost ship it back to Helson to diagnose the issue, but as I am wearing it right now it is running fine at around +/- 3 seconds a day and it has not stopped again yet.

The Conclusion
Despite the confusion I still enjoy this watch and for $400 I think it is worth the price! The case is solid, the AR coating is nice and makes taking pictures of this watch pretty easy, the dial is very unique, the crown is solid, and the lume is incredible! I think the only thing I would change to improve this watch would be to include regular spring bars rather than the Hex screws when changing straps. I am a little glad this was not my first micro watch because otherwise I might have been more afraid of owning any other micro brand watches due to the slight movement issue. When I bought the watch there were only 4 left which did push me toward buying it as it looked really nice and was at the right price for me (under $500). I think the only thing I regret with this purchase is the fact that saving up for a NTH Devilray pre-order this year will be more difficult and the loss of my WPAC membership. Overall I think this watch is a pretty nice value and I can't wait to see how it naturally patinas!

TL;DR: This watch is pretty nice and I do recommend it, but there was a movement issue.
 
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Great review, thanks for sharing. Regarding the spring bars vs. hex screws I think that's down to personal preference. I'm much happier with the thick bolt and screw on my Helson as I know it won't easily come off in the water. I'd recommend a drop of blue locktite on the screw thread when changing straps though.


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Great review, thanks for sharing. Regarding the spring bars vs. hex screws I think that's down to personal preference. I'm much happier with the thick bolt and screw on my Helson as I know it won't easily come off in the water. I'd recommend a drop of blue locktite on the screw thread when changing straps though.

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That is a good point! I prefer the regular spring bars because the tiny hex screws seems very easy to lose.
Luckily Helson included extra hex screws with the watch which was nice of them incase I lost any.
 
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The pattern on the dial looks weird to me, I hope it looks better in person. I bought the same size with green dial in February and remains my favorite purchase today. At the time they didn't have a no date option for the 40mm otherwise I would've bought that instead.

I would probably have the movement looked at regardless. You'll never know, it might stop again the day the warranty expires.
 
Its an interesting choice of dial, no doubt. Its somewhat fitting for a case that is going to grow greenish patina in areas tho. I think the case will grow in to that jade dial really well over time. In a sense, that Jade dial looks like some algae started growing on it years ago. Im sure thats why Helson chose this unique material for the dial on this brass watch.

I really want a bronze/brass watch but just cant find a model Im really obsessed with that isnt a Tudor, Eterna, or Oris that all cost $2,500+ and difficult to source(except the Tudor). In a way, it probably would be a wiser decision to go brass, see if I like it, then decide whether a truly high end bronze diver would suit my tastes. Right now, i just want to dip my toe in the brass/bronze game. Ill be curious to see how your Helson wears and ages over the next year.

Btw, that does seem strange about the movt. Perhaps give it a few more weeks of full power reserve in the morning and see if it randomly stops again. Hope it was just a fluke!

Thanks for the review. Post some more pics when you get a chance.
 
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The pattern on the dial looks weird to me, I hope it looks better in person. I bought the same size with green dial in February and remains my favorite purchase today. At the time they didn't have a no date option for the 40mm otherwise I would've bought that instead.

I would probably have the movement looked at regardless. You'll never know, it might stop again the day the warranty expires.
I guess that is why the WPAC members referred to it as the "moldy dial" :-d
If it continues to occur I will plan on having a watchmaker have a look at it before I send it back under warranty.
 
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Its an interesting choice of dial, no doubt. Its somewhat fitting for a case that is going to grow greenish patina in areas tho. I think the case will grow in to that jade dial really well over time. In a sense, that Jade dial looks like some algae started growing on it years ago. Im sure thats why Helson chose this unique material for the dial on this brass watch.

I really want a bronze/brass watch but just cant find a model Im really obsessed with that isnt a Tudor, Eterna, or Oris that all cost $2,500+ and difficult to source(except the Tudor). In a way, it probably would be a wiser decision to go brass, see if I like it, then decide whether a truly high end bronze diver would suit my tastes. Right now, i just want to dip my toe in the brass/bronze game. Ill be curious to see how your Helson wears and ages over the next year.

Btw, that does seem strange about the movt. Perhaps give it a few more weeks of full power reserve in the morning and see if it randomly stops again. Hope it was just a fluke!

Thanks for the review. Post some more pics when you get a chance.
Other than Helson; Armida and Zelos seem very nice based on their designs for a first Brass/Bronze watch.
The aspect of the patina was a major factor for what dial I would choose which is why I did not go for the Mother of Pearl dial.
It would just be weird in my mind to have a bright and flashy dial with an aged brass case.

The interesting thing about patina when it ages naturally is that it not only adds character, but it changes based on environment.
The patina of a brass/bronze watch will look different in a high humidity environment like Florida compared to a low humidity environment like Arizona.
I will definitely be sure to post back once it develops a unique patina!
 
Thanks for the review. I am in the market myself. The brass option is much more in my budget. I understand that brass will corrode faster than bronze. I am a little concerned if that will affect the threads of the he screws. Does anyone have any experience or insight on this?

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I've got the 40mm shark diver in steel and I love the hex bars, much better than spring bars. I'm surprised that you didn't rate the quality of it higher, as I feel that mine is punching well above its price. What marks it down for you?
Screwing the hex bars back in did not feel solid and tight which made me worried that the hex screws would fall out during the day.
I have also never had a watch with hex bars before which probably contributed to a bit of the confusion.
I do have to say that overall in my collection I would rate my divers in this order (not counting the movement issue).

1. NTH Scorpène (The bezel is smoother than the Helson and the movement is a higher beat with no issues)
2. Helson Sharkdiver (Better lume, bezel, and hand winding make this better than the SKX007)
3. Seiko SKX007 (A very tough watch, but I wish I could hand wind it)
4. Orient Blue Ray II (It is a high value, but the stiff bezel and fiddly crown are downers to me)

I do love all my dive watches in different ways and after more than a year of collecting I know that divers are my favorite type of watch.
For $350 I think it is a very great value, unless you get a unique jade dial like I did for an extra $50.
 
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Screwing the hex bars back in did not feel solid and tight which made me worried that the hex screws would fall out during the day.
I have also never had a watch with hex bars before which probably contributed to a bit of the confusion.
I do have to say that overall in my collection I would rate my divers in this order (not counting the movement issue).

1. NTH Scorpène (The bezel is smoother than the Helson and the movement is a higher beat with no issues)
2. Helson Sharkdiver (Better lume, bezel, and hand winding make this better than the SKX007)
3. Seiko SKX007 (A very tough watch, but I wish I could hand wind it)
4. Orient Blue Ray II (It is a high value, but the stiff bezel and fiddly crown are downers to me)

I do love all my dive watches in different ways and after more than a year of collecting I know that divers are my favorite type of watch.
For $350 I think it is a very great value, unless you get a unique jade dial like I did for an extra $50.
I've never had a problem with the Helson spring bars or for that matter the double screw link system (PITA to adjust.....). But I've managed to round off one of the hex head flats and now the tool slips a little. All OK as I'm using the spare bars. Would like to get some spares but helson communications aren't brilliant.....

.....the lume is awesome, better than any Seiko. Just show its some daylight and it's like a torch.
 
Never owned a brass version . My brother has the bronze and I have the 42mm first run SD with ETA. It's a bullet proof tool watch that has a proven track record. Peter keeps producing the SD for good reason, they are a tool divers dream.


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And this is why I was wise to stay away from these forums for a while. Now I have this to add to my list to go along with a few others from the past couple of days. (And the ones I've already ordered.)


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