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I believe it was the health secretary who brought in the dress code around 2007 with very little evidence (if any). Hand washing yep plenty of evidence BBE none, I think... But hey no recent UK health secretary has ever worked in healthcare, so of course they are the best at making such non evidence based decisions ??.♂

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Maybe a WIS Health Secretary can provide an exemption for wristwatches!

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Not true. Watch only sold to buy another otherwise would have kept. I did say it's one of the best everyday watches so don't know how that equates to an F. These are just my true opinions of having the watch for 3 years. I doubt any watch is all positive. I also doubt anyone who has ever sold a watch to fund a new one feels the previous watch failed.

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I'd consider selling to be the ultimate failure! I guess throwing away is worse...
 
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I'd consider selling to be the ultimate failure! I guess throwing away is worse...
Interesting, you are very entitled to that opinion. I imagine almost every version of every watch has been sold at some point. All failures? The Clapton Patek, Newman Daytona were sold, would you consider them failures? Genuine question.
 
This could have been my story. I was over the moon when I saw the AT 8500 for the first time. Tried the Skyfall in 38.5 and was underwhelmed but then bought the 41 version and believed this would be my one and only. The watch itself is fantastic but the proportions of the 38.5 just didn't seem right and the 41 was just a little too big for my 6.2" wrist. And perhaps the watch was indeed a little too perfect and thus maybe a little lifeless. This is also suggested in one review I stumbled across recently: https://www.ablogtowatch.com/watch-.../watch-shootout-iwc-ingenieur-40mm-3239-vs-omega-seamaster-aqua-terra-8500-2/2/

I sold my AT in December after three years to fund this and I have never looked back...
 

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This could have been my story. I was over the moon when I saw the AT 8500 for the first time. Tried the Skyfall in 38.5 and was underwhelmed but then bought the 41 version and believed this would be my one and only. The watch itself is fantastic but the proportions of the 38.5 just didn't seem right and the 41 was just a little too big for my 6.2" wrist. And perhaps the watch was indeed a little too perfect and thus maybe a little lifeless. This is also suggested in one review I stumbled across recently: https://www.ablogtowatch.com/watch-.../watch-shootout-iwc-ingenieur-40mm-3239-vs-omega-seamaster-aqua-terra-8500-2/2/

I sold my AT in December after three years to fund this and I have never looked back...
Thanks for sharing. Very similar stories. Lovely seasmater, you wont see many of those about. it's a real classy piece.

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Interesting, you are very entitled to that opinion. I imagine almost every version of every watch has been sold at some point. All failures? The Clapton Patek, Newman Daytona were sold, would you consider them failures? Genuine question.
If I as the owner end up selling watch, then absolutely it has failed (the long term test). I suppose the exception would be if I can make a large profit, but that's somewhat out of scope for an AT (I'd think at least). As for the patek I have no idea what that is and I can say for me I'm pretty sure a Newman Daytona might fail for me, but that's me. The test is if I want to keep it for the long term. Failing the long term test and failing as a watch are I'd hope clearly two very different things.

I've always wanted an AT, but they've sadly kept going up in price and honestly just want the old 2500 star burst blue dials. I'm hoping they bring back that dial someday. That would be a hard watch to pass up if priced reasonably.
 
I have the gray dial version and as a “one watch only” I think it is hard to beat. But as I have acquired more “interesting “ pieces, it doesn’t get much time on the wrist. But I’ll keep it because if I ever lose everything at least I’ll have one watch.


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If I as the owner end up selling watch, then absolutely it has failed (the long term test). I suppose the exception would be if I can make a large profit, but that's somewhat out of scope for an AT (I'd think at least). As for the patek I have no idea what that is and I can say for me I'm pretty sure a Newman Daytona might fail for me, but that's me. The test is if I want to keep it for the long term. Failing the long term test and failing as a watch are I'd hope clearly two very different things.

I've always wanted an AT, but they've sadly kept going up in price and honestly just want the old 2500 star burst blue dials. I'm hoping they bring back that dial someday. That would be a hard watch to pass up if priced reasonably.
Thats a reasonable pov. I suppose it's all down to motive for me. If I had always thought I would sell a watch and have enjoyed it then I wouldn't necessarily feel it was a failure. Of it was sold as it did not match expectations then yes...fail!

For the the ATs are becoming less attractive with time. The newest iteration does nothing for me, the colours are off and the dials don't catch the light the same. The 2500 and 8500 were the high point IMHO.

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Thats a reasonable pov. I suppose it's all down to motive for me. If I had always thought I would sell a watch and have enjoyed it then I wouldn't necessarily feel it was a failure. Of it was sold as it did not match expectations then yes...fail!

For the the ATs are becoming less attractive with time. The newest iteration does nothing for me, the colours are off and the dials don't catch the light the same. The 2500 and 8500 were the high point IMHO.

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I appreciate the review. I don't agree about the newest iteration being below the old ATs. I can agree that most of the new line are not as spectacular, but I'll take my new light blue AT with master co-axial 8900 over all past ATs. Anyway, reasonable minds will differ on aesthetics.
 
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I appreciate the review. I don't agree about the newest iteration being below the old ATs. I can agree that most of the new line are not as spectacular, but I'll take my new light blue AT with master co-axial 8900 over all past ATs. Anyway, reasonable minds will differ on aesthetics.
The new ATs are anything but below the old ones. I agree what beats inside the new ATs is very impressive and kudos to Omega. I'm speaking very much subjectively on looks. It's still a fine looking watch and more balanced. I'm sure you get much joy out of it

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interesting review of the best Rolex Datejust competitor
 
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interesting review of the best Rolex Datejust competitor
Thanks. I agree the AT and DJ are direct competitors. I'd give the edge to the AT for price, more interesting dial, more modern movement, slightly better balance of sporty and dressy (I think the DJ is a bit more dressier). For some reason the DJ 41 looks massive on the wrist, it's still a great watch. If getting DJ it would be the 36mm.

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Thats a reasonable pov. I suppose it's all down to motive for me. If I had always thought I would sell a watch and have enjoyed it then I wouldn't necessarily feel it was a failure. Of it was sold as it did not match expectations then yes...fail!

For the the ATs are becoming less attractive with time. The newest iteration does nothing for me, the colours are off and the dials don't catch the light the same. The 2500 and 8500 were the high point IMHO.

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Interesting on you not liking the new ones. I think the new blue dial is a massive upgrade over the skyfall teak. I thought the teak blue was really underwhelming in person. If the 2500 was a 10 on dial (just the dial not indexes or hands or whatever) the 8500 was a 4 and the new is a 7. The new AT also reduced thickness which was huge too.

But yeah if I ever sell a watch, that would be a huge disappointment/failure. I buy watches with the intention of dieing with them. That's the minimum requirements to me.
 
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Interesting on you not liking the new ones. I think the new blue dial is a massive upgrade over the skyfall teak. I thought the teak blue was really underwhelming in person. If the 2500 was a 10 on dial (just the dial not indexes or hands or whatever) the 8500 was a 4 and the new is a 7. The new AT also reduced thickness which was huge too.

But yeah if I ever sell a watch, that would be a huge disappointment/failure. I buy watches with the intention of dieing with them. That's the minimum requirements to me.
The teak blue had a bit of a sheen to it that the opaline didn't, which made choose the latter. I prefer the uniform vertical stripes, a form that has been seen on grand Seikos and I think Rolex afterwards. The variable teak just seemed to be changing something for the sake of it. Perhaps it will grow on me. These things are always subjective. The new ATs are likely a better watch overall.

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Great read, thanks for posting!
I don't think your AT will take it personally, and I hope enjoy the hell out of your Tudor! Congrats [emoji1303][emoji41]

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The teak blue had a bit of a sheen to it that the opaline didn't, which made choose the latter. I prefer the uniform vertical stripes, a form that has been seen on grand Seikos and I think Rolex afterwards. The variable teak just seemed to be changing something for the sake of it. Perhaps it will grow on me. These things are always subjective. The new ATs are likely a better watch overall.

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I didn't not like the finishing on the AT teaks, they looked somewhat poorly done, but I generally do not like them in general. I haven't seen a GS with them, but I doubt I'd like them even with the better finishing. The new horizontal ones, I haven't seen the blue in person but the white or silver I looked at seemed better finished. But for me it was better. Still again give me the star burst from the 2500, that was perfection!

But yeah if you just like the teaks you like the teaks, nothing wrong with that. They're nice watches.
 
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