I don't understand the love for Nomos... The overall design looks too simple, so simple that it looks cheap and lazy. Its as they are trying to do the least amount work to a watch with out designing anything. I.E. by using the most simple design. While I appreciate simplicity in looks, I am not fond of the printed cheap dials. They remind me of Daniel Wellington's watches. There is perhaps one Nomos that I would consider, the Zürich Weltzeit. While other brands have simple look and design, they have applied indices, sandwich dials, curves on bezel, different polishing, unique case lines, ect. So what is it that drives you to Nomos?
I don't understand the love for Nomos
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Don't worry, no hard feelings. At this point I'm totally used to "enthusiasts" calling DW all kinds of names, including worthless, trash, etc.
In terms of raw physical value, they aren't wrong. I just can't get over the fact that almost none of them is willing to admit that DW at least did *something* right. Something more than mere marketing. To me, that "something" was the clean designs.
(and that much is obvious, I mean, what else could it be? the mediocre leather straps? Or was it the easily scratched acrylic screen?)
You can't win simply with marketing. You can't sell this many watches with just some hot models wearing the watches in posters and commercials and all of a sudden a herd of brainwashed sheeps would just buy every DW in stock regardless of looks and quality. Doesn't work like that. Never mind what's inside the watch, you must at least convince people that the look it provides is worth the asking price and to many, it does. That's how the brand became mass appealing.
Yeah yeah yeah, the Chinese Quartz movement isn't even worth a dollar, but that's never the point of that brand. You are essentially buying a modestly priced (modest, but not honest, for some who like to argue), neat looking accessory that compliments your dressing attire, that also happens to tell time. People who bought them don't care about the "true value" of the watch, nor were they supposed to.
Nomos on the other hand has a lot of other things going for them. Great German house, great in-house movements at relatively competitive pricing, made its name in the global watch market as reliable and even respectable. The Orion line might have been the source of inspiration for DW watches, but is that a bad thing? Not at all! In fact, it is solid proof that this kind of simplistic designs work at the $150-200 range, even if the interior is worthless, it wins hearts of the masses with the design alone. And then at the $2000-3000 range, a very similar design wins again, this time in a respectable brand, with reliable in-house movements and great polish and everything.
I'm cool with that. I love the simplistic designs from both brands, and I know that I'm not the only one.
I dont understand either. after going trough so much praise and reviews, i tried it several times at several ADs but its just plain! i dont care about in house or eta or sellita, the watch needs to speak to me and none of nomos ever does that to me! plus theres no history to the brand. i even consider Germany's Laco pilot better than nomos.
I know I'm a little late but I have to agree! Nomos IS as plain as DW and I don't see the appeal of Bauhaus but I GUESS that appeals to some who want plain dials. I'm not crazy about dials that have too much going on but I also don't like completely plain, cheap looking watches. With Nomos I'd feel like I'm wearing a DW or MVMT knockoff watches from China!
Nomos is many things, but plain, cheap-looking, or a DW/MVMT knockoff from China is not one of them.
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Oh wow. That is pushing it. I have the Nomos Club Sport 42 and it is nothing close to MVMT. Some of the most iconic watches of all time have the simplest designs, but they are still designs. Not only that, the materials used make a difference, not to mention the movement. The Nomos I own has the awesome 6101 movement. Completely built in-house. MVMT? Seriously lol
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wow, how did u get these? just sent an email and got them for free?
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NOMOS has won like 12 different design awards and makes their own (and really thin) movements so yeah they're worth the praise they get lol.
Haha, yeah that was kinda my point. Everyone has different tastes and styles. I wouldn't wander into the Breitling forum (or for that matter Panerai, another look and style I detest) and question their choices though.
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Just bought a ludwig 35 for my gf for her xmas gift, after feeling the nomos in the hand I think its an excellent entry level watch brand that could easily be someone's only watch.
The design especially lends itself as a great pick for people who aren't typical "watch" people.
Is there a way to tell if the Ludwig I bought is using the Alpha movement or the older movements?
It exhibition back matches other more recent pieces, and its not a gold color like the older models.
The design especially lends itself as a great pick for people who aren't typical "watch" people.
Is there a way to tell if the Ludwig I bought is using the Alpha movement or the older movements?
It exhibition back matches other more recent pieces, and its not a gold color like the older models.
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Just bought a ludwig 35 for my gf for her xmas gift, after feeling the nomos in the hand I think its an excellent entry level watch brand that could easily be someone's only watch.
The design especially lends itself as a great pick for people who aren't typical "watch" people.
Is there a way to tell if the Ludwig I bought is using the Alpha movement or the older movements?
It exhibition back matches other more recent pieces, and its not a gold color like the older models.
The design especially lends itself as a great pick for people who aren't typical "watch" people.
Is there a way to tell if the Ludwig I bought is using the Alpha movement or the older movements?
It exhibition back matches other more recent pieces, and its not a gold color like the older models.
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I don't get how anyone considers Nomos entry level. Unless you get the Club Campus, anything that's at least 38mm is going to cost $2,000 minimum like the Tangente. Then the prices increase dramatically for what look to be the same watch with slightly different dials or maybe a date complication. Next thing you know you're up to $4,000 for a tiny 38mm watch that while it may look elegant hardly justifies the price.
Of course trying to justify the price of any watch is foolhardy but in my opinion, Nomos offers basically the same watch, with a few exceptions, over and over again. The designs (or I should say design) are very nice and I'm sure finishing is top notch but their overall collection is wholly unimaginative.
Like a lot of Swiss brands too, eventually you're paying twice as much for the name. Yeah, you've got so-called in-house movements and whatever other justification they see fit to tout but I think Nomos in particular is generally priced well above their offerings. But then again, I feel the same about GO, Lange, and every "luxury" Swiss brand.
The Tangente is a nice watch with a justifiable price but then everything else becomes ridiculous. And their watches are so damn small to boot...38mm is labeled as "large" by them. If you like them, go for it, but I think there a lot better German value for money watches out there. They remind me of my boss's $7,000 Omega which looks no better and is hardly "better finished" than any sub $2,000 watch I own.
Just my 2 cents.
Of course trying to justify the price of any watch is foolhardy but in my opinion, Nomos offers basically the same watch, with a few exceptions, over and over again. The designs (or I should say design) are very nice and I'm sure finishing is top notch but their overall collection is wholly unimaginative.
Like a lot of Swiss brands too, eventually you're paying twice as much for the name. Yeah, you've got so-called in-house movements and whatever other justification they see fit to tout but I think Nomos in particular is generally priced well above their offerings. But then again, I feel the same about GO, Lange, and every "luxury" Swiss brand.
The Tangente is a nice watch with a justifiable price but then everything else becomes ridiculous. And their watches are so damn small to boot...38mm is labeled as "large" by them. If you like them, go for it, but I think there a lot better German value for money watches out there. They remind me of my boss's $7,000 Omega which looks no better and is hardly "better finished" than any sub $2,000 watch I own.
Just my 2 cents.
First, you can say this about most watches can't you?
Also, what does size have to do with it? Do you buy watches by the cm?
We all know, deep down, this is a game. All watches tell time. Past that, it's justifying paying more for looks.
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Say what about most watches? I said a lot of things. If you're talking about the cost of any watch versus a $10 Casio then of course, but there's also value to having a nicely made watch with a Swiss movement. But once it gets beyond a certain point you enter the realm of vastly diminishing returns where the justification for exorbitant prices is "fine finishing", the name, so called in-house movements, and the cache said name carries. Unless there is some very fancy, expensive complication or precious metals involved, then anything beyond around $3000 enters this realm...roughly speaking.
No, I buy watches by the millimeter, as in case size. And watch manufacturers price watches by the millimeter, as in case size. Personally I consider 38 mm to be dinky but anything larger is going to be even more expensive, which makes the pricing from Nomos even more out there.
There's a lot more to justifying a more expensive Swiss or German watch than just the looks. There is construction, finishing, nice movements, heritage, etc. All of these things make a watch more valuable to some, including myself, and hence the prices go up. But like I said before, you invariably reach a point of diminishing returns where you're not paying for any additional true value other than the name.
You could have two identical watches made where one gets a common name (Stowa, Sinn, etc) and the other gets a premium name (Nomos, GO, etc) and invariably the premium one will cost twice as much. And although identical, someone will invariably insist that the finishing on the premium brand is that much better. There's not a watch that I've owned in the $1,000 to $2,000 range that hasn't had impeccable finishing and some with beautifully decorated movements to boot.
So yes it's all a game but you have to draw the line somewhere unless you're filthy rich and don't care. And while I can afford more expensive watches, I have found little above the $3,000 range that offers any more intrinsic value other than the name then watches in the $1,000 to $2,500 range. Even many of Sinn's watches are priced ridiculously for what you get compared to the competition or even Sinn's other models. I bought one because I've always wanted one (and love it) but will probably never buy another because frankly they're overpriced. But at least it does have some unique features you won't find in other brands and wasn't ridiculously expensive. But I don't go around saying how great the finish is or what a bargain it was or how great Sinn is. Nomos, on the other hand, has very overpriced watches for the most part, one basic design, and small cases yet many gush over them like they're something more than what they are, which is simply a very nice watch...nothing more, nothing less.
There are plenty of other brands that are even more ridiculously priced but at least many of those have a long history to them and a name that actually does carry some weight (beyond just watch freaks like us) to somewhat justify their prices.
I've not even ruled out getting a Nomos (like I said the basic Tangente at $2,000 is reasonable) but to make the brand sound like some great bang for the buck simply because other brands cost even more, is nuts.
That's quite a rant so I'll just leave it at this. Nomos makes their own movements in-house and their cases are thin because of the movements. Not too many companies have pulled this off. This, in my opinion, makes an elegant watch.
Here's a link to an article about them. I hope it helps you to understand what goes into making watches from this small company in Glashutte.
Inside The Manufacture: A Visit To NOMOS Glashütte, From Design To Production (VIDEO)
We go inside the German manufacture to get the full story of how the Neomatik came to life.
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Okay so I read the article and even looked up more information on their in-house movements. I'll admit that the duw 3001 is pretty impressive. I guess it all comes down to how much you value a true in-house movement which that one seems to be. And by in-house movement I'm referring to design as well as manufacturer.That's quite a rant so I'll just leave it at this. Nomos makes their own movements in-house and their cases are thin because of the movements. Not too many companies have pulled this off. This, in my opinion, makes an elegant watch.
Here's a link to an article about them. I hope it helps you to understand what goes into making watches from this small company in Glashutte.
Inside The Manufacture: A Visit To NOMOS Glashütte, From Design To Production (VIDEO)
We go inside the German manufacture to get the full story of how the Neomatik came to life.
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Apparently it cost a lot of money to design and manufacture so it's no surprise that their watches are expensive, though certainly not at the level of many other luxury manufacturers. So by that standard I guess you could say that Nomos does offer a lot of value for the money by comparison. Maybe it's just that I'm not that into the whole in house movement trend as many of them are simply derivatives of existing ETA movements. I understand the position that nomos was in when ETA stopped allowing their movements to be used outside of the Swatch group. They could either manufacture their own or go the Sellita route. I think it's very commendable to make your own movement but I question the necessity of it when it's only going to increase prices and there are already tried and true Swiss movements to be bought. I guess you're not going to reinvent the wheel at this point so maybe it's naive to expect it to be something wholly original rather than an improvement on existing designs.
Like I said earlier I think that they are very nice watches and I do have more appreciation for them and their movements thanks to the article, but since I'm not overly concerned about in-house movements, their watches still seem overpriced to me.
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I do not understand why members here don't do their homework. NOMOS decided to part with using Peseux 7001 movements long time before (quote) „ETA stopped allowing their movements to be used outside of the Swatch group" (end quote). It started with the Alpha, now we have 6 handwound movement and 7 automatic movements. Nomos also produced the CW1 and CW2 which have been exclusively used by Wempe in their Wempe Chronometerwerke line-up. Nomos also developed what they call the „swing system". Competitors in Germany did not even tried to take the risk. The DUW 2002 - among other technical gimmicks - features a twin mainspring barrel with a power reserve of 3,5 days. No Sinn, no Tutima, no Laco, no Stowa, no Dekla, no Tourby, no…….. (fill in the gap) is/was able and capable to produce something similar.
Btw: ETA did not stopped allowing their movements to be used outside of the Swatch Group. This is a very shortened view of what has really happened at the Swatch Group since October 2013 due to a Comco (Swiss Competition Commission) Decision. The final report consists of 148 pages and can be read here (only German but Google Translate will do the trick):
Btw: ETA did not stopped allowing their movements to be used outside of the Swatch Group. This is a very shortened view of what has really happened at the Swatch Group since October 2013 due to a Comco (Swiss Competition Commission) Decision. The final report consists of 148 pages and can be read here (only German but Google Translate will do the trick):
I give you credit for reading the article, most people would have probably skipped it.
I am not an in-house movement fanatic. I have several watches with eta, etc. My Tangente is a beautifully made watch that had thought and care put into it which makes it worth the price….to me.
Think of it this way; compare a mass produced product from Walmart to a similar product that was hand made by a craftsman. You can say the hand made one is overpriced but I don't mind, once in a while, paying for a product that I know was not just thrown together. The good thing about this hobby is we have a large selection to choose from.
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I have done my homework and am aware of everything you wrote except Wempe using Nomos' movement. As for why Nomos decided to start making in-house movements much earlier, is inconsequential. I question the decision of using in-house movements (exclusively, I believe) to begin with. No, no one else took the risk because it's a very expensive proposition and they would price out the majority of their customers.
Nomos wanted to be a manufacture and be able to write "Glashutte" on their watches...good for them, mission accomplished. And I'm sure they're proud of their accomplishments, as they should be. But had they continued with ETA and eventually Sellita (like most manufacturers) then they would have a much less expensive watch whose movement has been proven for years and is used in plenty of "luxury" watches. And an in-house movement is not necessarily better, so what was the point other than to become a true manufacture, a "luxury" brand, and pass on the R&D and manufacturing costs to the customer? No one begrudges the majority of German watch manufacturers for not making their own movements. Swiss watch movements are top of the line, world renowned movements, not some cheap bargain contraption that begged to be redesigned. They could have spent the money on producing a watch that doesn't look like all their other watches. Instead they spent millions redesigning a perfectly good movement, kept the same singular watch design they've had for years, and increased the price exponentially. If that's what you're into, so be it. I'm not.
I'm not begrudging Nomos as a brand...they make beautiful watches. I'm begrudging the heaps of lavish praise indiscriminately showered upon them, as the title of the thread states.
Nomos wanted to be a manufacture and be able to write "Glashutte" on their watches...good for them, mission accomplished. And I'm sure they're proud of their accomplishments, as they should be. But had they continued with ETA and eventually Sellita (like most manufacturers) then they would have a much less expensive watch whose movement has been proven for years and is used in plenty of "luxury" watches. And an in-house movement is not necessarily better, so what was the point other than to become a true manufacture, a "luxury" brand, and pass on the R&D and manufacturing costs to the customer? No one begrudges the majority of German watch manufacturers for not making their own movements. Swiss watch movements are top of the line, world renowned movements, not some cheap bargain contraption that begged to be redesigned. They could have spent the money on producing a watch that doesn't look like all their other watches. Instead they spent millions redesigning a perfectly good movement, kept the same singular watch design they've had for years, and increased the price exponentially. If that's what you're into, so be it. I'm not.
I'm not begrudging Nomos as a brand...they make beautiful watches. I'm begrudging the heaps of lavish praise indiscriminately showered upon them, as the title of the thread states.
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