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So my first (and I hope only) purchase of 2022 has arrived: a Kuoe Old Smith. I don't know a ton about Kuoe but they are a microbrand in Kyoto, producing military-inspired field watches. I've thought for a while that a smallish, low-profile field watch would suit me well, and when ads this popped up on social media, I fell in love with the green dial. I had looked at some other field watched but either they didn't have a date window, were too expensive, or too big. (The exception is the Hamilton Khaki 38mm, which was my other option.) The price seemed reasonable so I ordered it: I did include some extra money to upgrade from mineral crystal to sapphire glass. That brought it to about US $400 altogether.

The watch arrived in a brown box, tucked into a nice cloth bag (although I note the bag was made in India.)

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The watch is on a light green NATO, and a second, black NATO was included.

The case is polished all around but the finishing is nothing special -- as you would expect at this price. It seems solid enough but nothing fancy. I knew its a bit tall, and the domed crystal add to that. Its only 35mm across with 18mm lugs, so the tallness really stands out. Kuoe gives the watch height as 12mm; watchspec.com says the crystal accounts for almost 3mm of that, which is possible. It is a screw-down crown and rated to 100m, so should be pretty durable, especially with the addition of the sapphire glass.

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On my 7 inch wrist the watch looks good; the small size gives it a nice retro military feel. I was underwhelmed by the green dial at first, the texture of the dial isn't as obvious in real life as it was in the photos on Kuoe's website; but the more I wear it the more I like it. In the right light it takes on a rich, deep green hue. The cream-colored hands look fabulous to my eyes, and complement the green perfectly. There is lume on the hands and on the pips at each hour. The lume quality is not great; I woke up around 2am (after turning the light off around 11pm) and had the presence of mind to check the lume, and it had faded 100%. So not perfect for a camping trip when you might wake up in the middle of the night and want to know the time; but when I go camping I always take my Timex Expedition anyway, so not a big deal. The date window is very small, which helps the dial balance but isn't perfect for someone who is on the cusp of needing bifocals. But I really need a date window. In researching this watch I saw a few photos of Kuoe watches where the dial painting showed some obvious flaws but this one looks great. There are a few little imperfect touches, like the way the paint seems almost too-thickly applied in the lettering, that just add to its character.

I've had it on my wrist or bedside table for 24 hours now and the NH35 movement is running at PERFECT accuracy. It has not gained or lost a second since I set it! I don't expect that to last, mechanical movements in my experience do drift as they settle in, but I'm sure it will be more than acceptable whatever happens. Setting it did show some slop in the mechanism, with the hands jumping around a bit as you tried to set things, but I gather that's normal for this movement.

All in all, I'm very pleased with this timepiece. The case finishing is no better than what you'd expect at this price point and I'm sorry the lume isn't better, but the dial is a real beauty and the accuracy is a bonus. Compared to the Hamilton Khaki its a bit taller, and I suspect the Hammy has a better-finished case, but here its all about the dial.

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UPDATE: A WEEK ON THE WRIST

Since there isn't a lot of info here about Kuoe watches, I thought there might be interest in a Week On The Wrist update.

The indirect drive seconds hand of the Miyota movement was disconcerting at first, but I've gotten used to it: it "stutters" when the watch is shaken, but that doesn't affect accuracy. The rotor is also noisier than I'm used to, and the sound it makes when the watch is shaken can be a little disconcerting as well. As I expected, the movement is "settling in" and now runs about -3 spd; still quite good so no complaint there. If you do hand-wind the watch, the action is smooth as silk. I've worn it three times now during hard rowing-machine workouts and that, at least, hasn't phased it.

The places where they cut expenses to keep the base price under USD 300 are clear; the case finishing is fine but nothing special, the single-pass nato strap feels pretty flimsy (although, to be fair, they did send two), and the lume is nearly useless. On the other hand the screw-down crown and 100m resistance adds some confidence. The date window remains way too small, but again to be fair, its only a 35mm watch, so how big could it be? The 12mm height still lets it slide under cuffs well enough, but its no dress watch.

The dial constantly changes its appearance depending on the light conditions, and continues to just be a thing of beauty. Sometimes it reminds me of a very business-like military green, totally a military-inspired field watch; other times the texture of the green paint and the cream-colored lume and the applied numerals jumps off the dial and make it look like a million bucks. It puts me in mind of some of the Grand Seiko textured dials.

This is not a watch with "wrist presence," despite the lovely dial. A casual glance makes it look like a very simple time-and-date watch. But each time I look at it I'm struck by how unique the look really is, with the white numbers, cream sword hands, green dial, and white railroad tracks. It escapes casual notice by being quite plain at first glance, but really rewards a closer look. A watch for aficionados, not casual buyers.

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UPDATE: A WEEK ON THE WRIST

Since there isn't a lot of info here about Kuoe watches, I thought there might be interest in a Week On The Wrist update.

The indirect drive seconds hand of the Miyota movement was disconcerting at first, but I've gotten used to it: it "stutters" when the watch is shaken, but that doesn't affect accuracy. The rotor is also noisier than I'm used to, and the sound it makes when the watch is shaken can be a little disconcerting as well. As I expected, the movement is "settling in" and now runs about -3 spd; still quite good so no complaint there. If you do hand-wind the watch, the action is smooth as silk. I've worn it three times now during hard rowing-machine workouts and that, at least, hasn't phased it.

The places where they cut expenses to keep the base price under USD 300 are clear; the case finishing is fine but nothing special, the single-pass nato strap feels pretty flimsy (although, to be fair, they did send two), and the lume is nearly useless. On the other hand the screw-down crown and 100m resistance adds some confidence. The date window remains way too small, but again to be fair, its only a 35mm watch, so how big could it be? The 12mm height still lets it slide under cuffs well enough, but its no dress watch.

The dial constantly changes its appearance depending on the light conditions, and continues to just be a thing of beauty. Sometimes it reminds me of a very business-like military green, totally a military-inspired field watch; other times the texture of the green paint and the cream-colored lume and the applied numerals jumps off the dial and make it look like a million bucks. It puts me in mind of some of the Grand Seiko textured dials.

This is not a watch with "wrist presence," despite the lovely dial. A casual glance makes it look like a very simple time-and-date watch. But each time I look at it I'm struck by how unique the look really is, with the white numbers, cream sword hands, green dial, and white railroad tracks. It escapes casual notice by being quite plain at first glance, but really rewards a closer look. A watch for aficionados, not casual buyers.

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Thanks for the post. It’s really helpful because I’m eyeing the green one too. Looks great. Wear it in good health!
 
Thanks for the review. I just noticed that the Kuoe website now offers this watch with upgrade options including super luminova, a no date dial, sapphire crystal, and even a quick change metal bracelet which is basically what I've wanted from the start. And thanks for sharing the wrist shot including your wrist size. I just need to decide on the color...
 
UPDATE: A WEEK ON THE WRIST

The indirect drive seconds hand of the Miyota movement was disconcerting at first...
Sorry, you have me confused. In your original post, you said the watch had a NH35 movement. I'm unfamiliar with this watch and manufacturer. Is it a Seiko or Miyota movement?

Aside from that minor quibble with your review, this is a pretty damn slick looking watch for the price.
 
Sorry, you have me confused. In your original post, you said the watch had a NH35 movement. I'm unfamiliar with this watch and manufacturer. Is it a Seiko or Miyota movement?

Aside from that minor quibble with your review, this is a pretty damn slick looking watch for the price.
I believe that it's a NH38 which is a Seiko movement.
 
The website is a little confusing. It appears that the date versions are offered with a Miyota 8215 and the no date versions with a NH38.
 
I think it's a truly beautiful watch. Every design element just works so well for me and despite staying firmly within the genre boundaries, it's anything but generic. Leave it to the Japanese to make something humble and noble, discreet but full of character - this is what the watch feels like to me.
 
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Sorry, you have me confused. In your original post, you said the watch had a NH35 movement. I'm unfamiliar with this watch and manufacturer. Is it a Seiko or Miyota movement?

Aside from that minor quibble with your review, this is a pretty damn slick looking watch for the price.
I'm actually no longer 100% sure about the movement I have, but I think its a Miyota; apologies for saying NH35 earlier. Its Miyota movements that have the indirect-drive "stutter" I've noticed.

I'm a bit upset that only now they offer the superluminova upgrade; it's certainly overdue. My only complaint about the watch I have is the useless lume. That's what you get for being an early adapter. :( I wonder how many others complained about the weak lume. Kuoe, if you're reading this, how about upgrading me???;)
 
I'm actually no longer 100% sure about the movement I have, but I think its a Miyota; apologies for saying NH35 earlier. Its Miyota movements that have the indirect-drive "stutter" I've noticed.

I'm a bit upset that only now they offer the superluminova upgrade; it's certainly overdue. My only complaint about the watch I have is the useless lume. That's what you get for being an early adapter. :( I wonder how many others complained about the weak lume. Kuoe, if you're reading this, how about upgrading me???;)
Hey, Aviron,

I've had my eye on these for awhile (a year or two maybe?) and what has been stopping me so far was the mineral crystal. I would gladly take acrylic too but that domed Sapphire looks pretty good. I've seen reviews where they mention that the lume wasn't that good but as my watch collecting journey has progressed over the years, lume has become less important to me and some of my favorite watches have no lume what so ever. But I much prefer watches without a date window so I think I'm sold on getting one of these now. I also like no end link bracelets and I like the option of getting a quick change branded one to boot. This watch looks like a real strap monster too.

In regards to your situation, perhaps you could contact them to see if they'd be willing to swap out the dial for a small fee. In general, I've learned in my watch collecting journey to never settle for anything less than what you want so don't be afraid to at least reach out to Kuoe to see if they are willing to play ball, so to speak. Let us know what they say. But if it makes that much of a difference to you then consider selling yours and ordering another with the upgraded super luminova.

This looks like the kind of watch that I'd wear the 5h!t out of and not worry too much about. I love seeing more vintage sized watches being offered these days.
 
I'm still trying to decide on what color dial I want. This photo from the Kuoe website looks like a brown tropical dial but I don't see it as one of the dial colors offered.
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This would be an instant order for me.
 
Hey just stumbled on this and maybe I can help. I've been eyeing this piece as well.
I also still trying to decide which dial color for me.

I'm actually no longer 100% sure about the movement I have, but I think its a Miyota; apologies for saying NH35 earlier. Its Miyota movements that have the indirect-drive "stutter" I've noticed.

I'm a bit upset that only now they offer the superluminova upgrade; it's certainly overdue. My only complaint about the watch I have is the useless lume. That's what you get for being an early adapter. :( I wonder how many others complained about the weak lume. Kuoe, if you're reading this, how about upgrading me???;)
You can upgrade the dial by buying the dial and then send your watch to them. I think you have to bear the cost though.


I'm still trying to decide on what color dial I want. This photo from the Kuoe website looks like a brown tropical dial but I don't see it as one of the dial colors offered.
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This would be an instant order for me.
Brown dial sadly is a custom-made order by AMWG, you can check kuoe Instagram for details.
 
Hey just stumbled on this and maybe I can help. I've been eyeing this piece as well.
I also still trying to decide which dial color for me.



You can upgrade the dial by buying the dial and then send your watch to them. I think you have to bear the cost though.



Brown dial sadly is a custom-made order by AMWG, you can check kuoe Instagram for details.
Yeah, I e-mailed them last week about the brown dial and they said that they have a few remaining. I have a no date brown dial with Sapphire crystal on it's way right now.
 
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You can upgrade the dial by buying the dial and then send your watch to them. I think you have to bear the cost though.
Maybe a little more money than I want to spend on what was supposed to be a budget watch! But thanks for the info. I actually wonder whether a watchmaker here in the US could just open the watch and put some superluminova on the hands.
 
Just got mine in the mail today. I love the brown dial.
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kudos to Kuoe for releasing a proper vintage sized field watch.
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i’ll post some more photos when I get a few straps that I’ve ordered for it.
 
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