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I am happy with the accuracy of mine. Here's my review not much I would change

 
Discussion starter · #27 ·
I've had a Clifton COSC for a year or so. It's crazy accurate, more accurate than two METAS certified watches in the collection. I haven't daily logged the accuracy, just made mental note of it on occasion. From my casual observations, I'd say it's somewhere between +1.5 sec/day and +2.0 sec/day. To my surprise, I haven't noticed much difference in accuracy with different power reserve levels either. Speaking of power reserve, it easily surpasses the 120 hour mark.

I don't think the movement is decorated anywhere near Omega levels, but it has been a very solid performer. IWC is using a variant of the movement in watches several times the price point (i.e. Mark XX & Ingenieur) of the Clifton Baumatic, so they must have a high level of confidence in it.


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Lovely watch, and glad to hear about you being so pleased with it, and its accuracy.
 
I could still get one of the first: the black dial in strap with the TwinSpir (BM12), but after almost 5 years sitting in the jewelry...
 
Discussion starter · #29 ·
The Baumatic's movement is the same one in IWC's latest Mark XX Pilot watch.
I've read/heard that. Of course, the decoration, finish and elements such as the Pellaton winding mechanism would be unique to IWC but they trust the ebauche enough to use it in their watches.
And the $11.5k 40mm Ingeneur
Yeah, that's very cool!
 
Discussion starter · #30 ·
I’d love if they made it a bit smaller. As a dress or office like watch i would prefer a 36-38 size on my small wrist. I don’t know if the movement would fit
I hear you ... they could possibly make that movement fit in a 38mm watch, but I'm not sure ...
 
Discussion starter · #31 ·
I am happy with the accuracy of mine. Here's my review not much I would change

Nice review, and glad you're happy with it!
 
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Correct - however it is a little bit frustrating that the Clifton (cheaper model) has the COSC version, the more expensive Riviera only has the non-COSC version of Baumatic.
Probably has a bit to do with style/trends/popularity at the moment and maybe the heftier case and bracelet too?
 
I've read/heard that. Of course, the decoration, finish and elements such as the Pellaton winding mechanism would be unique to IWC but they trust the ebauche enough to use it in their watches.

Yeah, that's very cool!
IWC is essentially using the SAME movement. IWC did not upgrade these movements with Pellaton winding system (I am referring to the movement in the Mark XX and the new Ingenieur).
 
OP your post is timely. I picked up the following Clifton Baumatic in March of this year and wanted to post comments. Thanks for getting this started.

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I will start with I enjoy this watch. The burgundy-ish dial with gold is a great color combination. The watch is 39MM but wears smaller. I am not complaining about that. I say it wears smaller, because the face of the watch is small as the gold bezel takes up a lot of space, which is good thing. If I am buying a gold watch, I don't want them to skimp on the gold. It is a very classy looking, might I even say vintage, dress watch, which appeals to me. What follows is a random list of observations.

1. I am not happy with the accuracy. See the photo below taking on June 1st of this year. I keep both watches below on a watch winder (Heiden which is a great winder at a fraction of the cost of others) at 650 tpd when not wearing them. The results you see are in the photo are basically the results for the month of May. The BM is 4 minutes and 7 seconds fast, which equals 247 seconds, which I think translates into ~7.9 seconds per day, which is outside of cosc specs. As mentioned, I am not happy and I'll probably get the watch back to the dealer to send into BM. I have called both BM and the dealer and the first comment from them was maybe it is magnetized. I had to remind them that while this version does not have the silicon hairspring (?) it is supposed to have other properties to prevent magnetism. The accuracy of the Nomos speaks for itself. That watch is over a year old and is extremely accurate.
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2. If you look at the first picture, do you notice how the 3 does not seem to be parallel / even with the 2? I don't think anything is wrong with the numbers. I am not sure why BM designed the dates this way but they did. If you look at the other post with the blue watch, you can see the same thing (if you look closely) with the 26. The 6 is not quite parallel with the 2. Not a huge issue, but an issue nonetheless that I did not pick up on when I viewed the watch on several visits to the dealer.

3. While I am on the subject of the date. All of the marketing photos of the watch that you see from BM use the number 8. That 8 fills up the whole window and gives the impression of a big date. The problem is that when you hit the double digits (11, 12, etc) the size of the date shrinks. BM could have made a a larger date window to accommodate the same size for all of the dates. That I suspect would have cause a host of other other issues - larger face would have been needed, which maybe shrinks the size of the bezel, etc.

4. If you look closely at my first photo, you will see that the date window has chamfered edges / corners. In bright light, I have noticed at times that it seems as if the top left hand corner of the date window has a white dot. There is actually not a white dot. It is just the sun reflecting off of the edges. It took me several minutes to figure that out.

5. The black band in all types of light seems to have a burgundy tint to it, which I think is quite cool given the burgundy dial. I don't know if BM did anything in particular to generate that effect.

6. The band also has another small detail which includes blue thread near where the tang clasp is. I think that is also another cool little detail that only an owner would notice.

Am I happy with the watch? Yes. Am I dismayed by the accuracy? Very much so. Accuracy is important to me. On paper this watch was a winner for me: affordable, gold, quasi in house movement, that is a chronometer. Hopefully, when I send this watch back for review / repair, it won't take months and they will be able to significantly improve the timekeeping. Thanks for letting me vent and I hope others find value in the comments.


Mainly want to know from owners and ex-owners about their impressions about the watch in general, the movement, timekeeping, quirks, etc. Also, if there's any noticeable timekeeping difference between the chronometer and non-chronometer versions (I know, I know it's mostly luck of the draw).

Been eyeing it for a while, might not get it anytime soon but just wanted to know what its owners think about the watch.
 
Discussion starter · #36 ·
IWC is essentially using the SAME movement. IWC did not upgrade these movements with Pellaton winding system (I am referring to the movement in the Mark XX and the new Ingenieur).
Oh ok, that's good to know! I have been out of the loop the last 4 or 5 years, so my knowledge of newer watches isn't as good as I'd like it to be ...
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
OP your post is timely. I picked up the following Clifton Baumatic in March of this year and wanted to post comments. Thanks for getting this started.

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I will start with I enjoy this watch. The burgundy-ish dial with gold is a great color combination. The watch is 39MM but wears smaller. I am not complaining about that. I say it wears smaller, because the face of the watch is small as the gold bezel takes up a lot of space, which is good thing. If I am buying a gold watch, I don't want them to skimp on the gold. It is a very classy looking, might I even say vintage, dress watch, which appeals to me. What follows is a random list of observations.

1. I am not happy with the accuracy. See the photo below taking on June 1st of this year. I keep both watches below on a watch winder (Heiden which is a great winder at a fraction of the cost of others) at 650 tpd when not wearing them. The results you see are in the photo are basically the results for the month of May. The BM is 4 minutes and 7 seconds fast, which equals 247 seconds, which I think translates into ~7.9 seconds per day, which is outside of cosc specs. As mentioned, I am not happy and I'll probably get the watch back to the dealer to send into BM. I have called both BM and the dealer and the first comment from them was maybe it is magnetized. I had to remind them that while this version does not have the silicon hairspring (?) it is supposed to have other properties to prevent magnetism. The accuracy of the Nomos speaks for itself. That watch is over a year old and is extremely accurate.
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2. If you look at the first picture, do you notice how the 3 does not seem to be parallel / even with the 2? I don't think anything is wrong with the numbers. I am not sure why BM designed the dates this way but they did. If you look at the other post with the blue watch, you can see the same thing (if you look closely) with the 26. The 6 is not quite parallel with the 2. Not a huge issue, but an issue nonetheless that I did not pick up on when I viewed the watch on several visits to the dealer.

3. While I am on the subject of the date. All of the marketing photos of the watch that you see from BM use the number 8. That 8 fills up the whole window and gives the impression of a big date. The problem is that when you hit the double digits (11, 12, etc) the size of the date shrinks. BM could have made a a larger date window to accommodate the same size for all of the dates. That I suspect would have cause a host of other other issues - larger face would have been needed, which maybe shrinks the size of the bezel, etc.

4. If you look closely at my first photo, you will see that the date window has chamfered edges / corners. In bright light, I have noticed at times that it seems as if the top left hand corner of the date window has a white dot. There is actually not a white dot. It is just the sun reflecting off of the edges. It took me several minutes to figure that out.

5. The black band in all types of light seems to have a burgundy tint to it, which I think is quite cool given the burgundy dial. I don't know if BM did anything in particular to generate that effect.

6. The band also has another small detail which includes blue thread near where the tang clasp is. I think that is also another cool little detail that only an owner would notice.

Am I happy with the watch? Yes. Am I dismayed by the accuracy? Very much so. Accuracy is important to me. On paper this watch was a winner for me: affordable, gold, quasi in house movement, that is a chronometer. Hopefully, when I send this watch back for review / repair, it won't take months and they will be able to significantly improve the timekeeping. Thanks for letting me vent and I hope others find value in the comments.
Thank you for your very detailed impressions about the watch, I'm sure this will help prospective buyers and alert them as to what to look out for.

Hope you get your watch back regulated to COSC specs. In my experience, pretty much any mass-produced brand has a few (or more) that don't meet them even when they're certified chronometers.
 
I have one with BM12 movement (with TwinSpir). The movement was the reason to purchase this watch. It turns out that the watch is so comfortable to wear that it has been running almost constantly around years now. It has been stopped only couple times when I have been somewhere else in holiday trip with other watch.

Quality and finishing seems to be at least as good as expected from Swiss watch in this range.

Otherwise it is easily keeps running when I'm using it at least 2 or 3 days in weeks. It keeps time ok. It slowly gains time but very consistently.

There is some readings about the timing:

PositionUsed 1.5 day from zero with no windingFull wind
Crown up5,1 s/day4,3 s/day
Crown down3,8 s/day2,5 s/day
Dial up5,8 s/day4,3 s/day
Dial down5,5 s/dayinformation missing
Crown right7,7 s/day6,1 s/day
Crown left-2,4 s/day-1,5 s/day

Keeps time well when it is night in crown left position. Positional variations are typical for high quality watch.

It is comfortable size for me. It is quite thin.
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Picture of the TwinSpir:
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and other silicon parts:
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Interesting detailed comments in this thread. Very interesting.
Also inspired me to pick up a Clifton tho i found an amazing deal on a blue dial gmt for under $1400 (after coupon) and no tax to New Jersey that I got it even without the baumatic movement (this one is ETA)

Check it out- amazing deal if you like the watch

 
I have the Rivera and love it. Great build quality, been super accurate to date

Excellent bracelet, dial and lume and the 120 hour PR rocks for a high beat movement.

IMHO, B&M is a very underrated watch brand.

I could think of lots of worse choices…..

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Beautiful watch--haven't seen that one before. The upside down VI is a head scratcher, but great package overall.
 
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