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Hi Everyone,

I'm starting this thread expressly to document and discuss information related to materials used in the construction of G-Shock (and other Casio sub-brand) watches. The focus will be on the polymeric parts which are sometimes referred to as "resin."

Resin is a generic term in polymer science and manufacturing and is equivalent to saying that a shiny, silvery, hard part is made of "metal." In other words, it represents the broadest possible classification of a category of materials meaning, generally, "synthetic polymer" or more colloquially, "plastic."

In this thread, I recommend the following relevant (sub)classifications:
  • resin - any plastic part that ranges from firm but flexible to hard
  • elastomer - any plastic part that is stretchy or easily bent of flexed up to 180 degrees without damage
  • composite - a part consisting of two or more distinct materials intimately commingled
There are three major components on a G-Shock that can be made of resin:
  • bezel - the part that substantially overlays the main case of the watch and that may be fastened to the case using clips or bolts
  • case - the main, central housing for the module/movement of the watch
  • strap - the lengths of material that fasten the watch to the wrist of the wearer
Let's start with the case. I suspect that over time, there have been at least two different materials used in Casio resin cases. One type is harder than the other. This harder, sort of "glassy" feeling material I've seen used in vintage Pro Treks, but not vintage G-Shocks, although I don't have many specimens from before the mid-1990s.

The hard but non-glassy feeling case resin seems to be the exclusive material of construction of all non-metal, non-composite cases. It feels dense and hard, but not like glass. It has a surface softness such that if you drag your fingernail (or a springbar tip) across it, it will leave a mark. Its surface is also slightly lubricious, meaning slippery feeling.

I've guessed that two likely candidate materials could be acetal or a mineral/glass-filled polymer composite like polypropylene or nylon. The main reason is that both of these are reasonably priced materials with good temperature and environmental resistance, and can take semi-precision machining including drilling and tapping for screws and bolts.

Well, today I received an answer to my wonderings. I asked Casio America tech support for the polymer class of the GW-9400 and the GW-6900, as broadly representative of the major lines (including the 5xxx and others). They had to escalate the query to Japan but the response that came back is as follows:

Dear Casio customer,
Thank you for your patience.
The cases of models GW-9400 and GW-6900 are made up of Hard resin (nylon resin with glass fiber).
Thank you for choosing Casio America.
Best Regards,
Jasmine
So consider the mystery solved.

Now, it is unclear that carbon composite cases (e.g., GG-B100 Carbon Core Guard) use the same polymer matrix (nylon) as the glass fiber reinforced cases but I think it's very likely. The reason why is that the only difference need be the replacement of the chopped glass fiber with chopped graphite fiber. With the right fiber treatment and matrix resin formulation, it's essentially a drop-in change during manufacturing. In fact, many composite parts that can be made with glass fiber can also be made with carbon fiber. This holds true for the chopped, long strand, thread, yarn, or woven mat forms of the fibers.

What about the strap then? Let's start with the flexible buckle-type two-piece straps that are so common. throughout the catalog.

This is also, a surprisingly easy question to answer for the vast majority because the identity of the materials embossed right on the injection molded strap parts. It's polyurethane elastomer.

Here are just a few examples from my collection. Note the ">PUR<" code. Casio have settled on this material for its great balance of properties. That it's found in the most expensive to the cheapest (F-91W) watch suggests two things:
  • They use it in substantial volumes such that they get a good price on the resin
  • They have optimized their production process to be highly efficient and cost effective over the years
Polyurethane straps are not used just for black straps. It's also used for colored, painted, and transparent jelly straps. Polyurethane is just that versatile of a polymer. You can read more about the material here: The Many Types of Polyurethane and What They Are Used For. My guess is that polyether thermoplastic elastomer is the exact type.
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Another class of strap materials would be the composites. By this, we mean carbon fiber composite although other fiber substrates and constructions have been used in the past.

Again, we're helped by parts labeling. And guess what, the matrix resin is also polyurethane as evidenced by the ">PUR-CF20<" designation. I do not know for sure what the "20" after "CF" means. It could designate the percentage loading by mass or volume or perhaps it references a grade. Whatever it means, for the GW-9400 Rangeman and the GW-9300 Mudman, the carbon fiber is most likely there for cosmetic/novelty reasons instead of true, critical functionality. I suggest this on the following basis:
  • this kind of simple weave fabric in a flexible matrix adds very little stiffness if any at all
  • the fabric is laid on the bias, with a 45-degree angle between the warp and the long direction, meaning that it will contribute little additional tensile strength when you pull on the ends of the strap
  • the matrix resin is clear to provide a view of the fiber
This reminds me of the days when I worked on polymer materials for a manufacturer of skis. I got the chance to see them build up carbon fiber-reinforced models (labeled and marketed) on their production line and it was eye opening. The tech would literally pull four feet of gauzy CF yarn off a spool and lay it between two plies of the ski. Absolutely and completely functionally irrelevant. I had to chuckle. They weren't lying...but they...well, they weren't technically lying.

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Finally, the last category of flexible resin straps is "unknown" because they are not labeled with any discernible polymer type designation. They are most often found on older, vintage models and sometimes the straps are more plasticky/hard feeling. I think there's a reasonable likelihood that some of these straps that feel like modern straps are probably made of polyurethane but just not labeled as such. To be certain, we'd have to test the material or identify a period in time when plastic parts labeling requirements or legislation came into force.

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I'd like to know about the Combi bracelets next. But as far as I can tell, there are no identity markings on any of the ones I own. This includes the Combi V2 for squares and the Combi for the Gulfmaster.

Perhaps one of you might want to pose the question to your local Support office?

Let's take a closer look at the bezels next time. It's possible that they are polyurethane as well but we'd need to see markings or hear from Support to be sure.

What I can say is that polyurethanes are a very versatile class of polymer and Casio has likely gotten very expert in their use over decades.
 
I believe the current plant based resin being used by Casio is DURABIO from Mitsubishi Engineering Plastics. The carbon fiber should be TORAYCA from Toray.

These two companies coincidentally also did the composite casings for the IBM and later Lenovo ThinkPad laptops, as this has also been primarily a Japanese engineered product line from the very beginning.
 
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I believe the current plant based resin being used by Casio is DURABIO from Mitsubishi Engineering Plastics. The carbon fiber should be TORAYCA from Toray.

These two companies coincidentally also did the composite casings for the IBM and later Lenovo ThinkPad laptops, as this has also been primarily a Japanese engineered product line from the very beginning.
Interesting. Citations?
 
Interesting. Citations?
Once I saw your post I went googling on these two companies and came across these. Just an inference on my part to begin with.



As for Toray carbon fiber, I have a Platinum 25G CF body fountain pen prior to Toray acquiring American low cost CF manufacturing technology. Compare to the TORAYCA lid I have on my ThinkPad X1, the old stuff was just like many other CF products of its day (thick resin with a very clearly visible carbon weave). The new stuff has a matte finish with a very faint weave pattern that somehow has a quite smooth surface feel to the touch.

I will do more digging when I get home tonite on the computer.
 
I'm making some good guesses here thus far lol!

Another resin partner here this time Taica with their Alpha Gel being used as a vibration resistance material in some of the G-Shock models.

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If I ever figure out the PU supplier for Casio G-Shocks I will post it here.
 
Toray Nanoalloy used in Casio G-Shock Carbon Bezel


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Hi Everyone,

I'm starting this thread expressly to document and discuss information related to materials used in the construction of G-Shock (and other Casio sub-brand) watches. The focus will be on the polymeric parts which are sometimes referred to as "resin."

Resin is a generic term in polymer science and manufacturing and is equivalent to saying that a shiny, silvery, hard part is made of "metal." In other words, it represents the broadest possible classification of a category of materials meaning, generally, "synthetic polymer" or more colloquially, "plastic."

In this thread, I recommend the following relevant (sub)classifications:
  • resin - any plastic part that ranges from firm but flexible to hard
  • elastomer - any plastic part that is stretchy or easily bent of flexed up to 180 degrees without damage
  • composite - a part consisting of two or more distinct materials intimately commingled
There are three major components on a G-Shock that can be made of resin:
  • bezel - the part that substantially overlays the main case of the watch and that may be fastened to the case using clips or bolts
  • case - the main, central housing for the module/movement of the watch
  • strap - the lengths of material that fasten the watch to the wrist of the wearer
Let's start with the case. I suspect that over time, there have been at least two different materials used in Casio resin cases. One type is harder than the other. This harder, sort of "glassy" feeling material I've seen used in vintage Pro Treks, but not vintage G-Shocks, although I don't have many specimens from before the mid-1990s.

The hard but non-glassy feeling case resin seems to be the exclusive material of construction of all non-metal, non-composite cases. It feels dense and hard, but not like glass. It has a surface softness such that if you drag your fingernail (or a springbar tip) across it, it will leave a mark. Its surface is also slightly lubricious, meaning slippery feeling.

I've guessed that two likely candidate materials could be acetal or a mineral/glass-filled polymer composite like polypropylene or nylon. The main reason is that both of these are reasonably priced materials with good temperature and environmental resistance, and can take semi-precision machining including drilling and tapping for screws and bolts.

Well, today I received an answer to my wonderings. I asked Casio America tech support for the polymer class of the GW-9400 and the GW-6900, as broadly representative of the major lines (including the 5xxx and others). They had to escalate the query to Japan but the response that came back is as follows:



So consider the mystery solved.

Now, it is unclear that carbon composite cases (e.g., GG-B100 Carbon Core Guard) use the same polymer matrix (nylon) as the glass fiber reinforced cases but I think it's very likely. The reason why is that the only difference need be the replacement of the chopped glass fiber with chopped graphite fiber. With the right fiber treatment and matrix resin formulation, it's essentially a drop-in change during manufacturing. In fact, many composite parts that can be made with glass fiber can also be made with carbon fiber. This holds true for the chopped, long strand, thread, yarn, or woven mat forms of the fibers.

What about the strap then? Let's start with the flexible buckle-type two-piece straps that are so common. throughout the catalog.

This is also, a surprisingly easy question to answer for the vast majority because the identity of the materials embossed right on the injection molded strap parts. It's polyurethane elastomer.

Here are just a few examples from my collection. Note the ">PUR<" code. Casio have settled on this material for its great balance of properties. That it's found in the most expensive to the cheapest (F-91W) watch suggests two things:
  • They use it in substantial volumes such that they get a good price on the resin
  • They have optimized their production process to be highly efficient and cost effective over the years
Polyurethane straps are not used just for black straps. It's also used for colored, painted, and transparent jelly straps. Polyurethane is just that versatile of a polymer. You can read more about the material here: The Many Types of Polyurethane and What They Are Used For. My guess is that polyether thermoplastic elastomer is the exact type.
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Another class of strap materials would be the composites. By this, we mean carbon fiber composite although other fiber substrates and constructions have been used in the past.

Again, we're helped by parts labeling. And guess what, the matrix resin is also polyurethane as evidenced by the ">PUR-CF20<" designation. I do not know for sure what the "20" after "CF" means. It could designate the percentage loading by mass or volume or perhaps it references a grade. Whatever it means, for the GW-9400 Rangeman and the GW-9300 Mudman, the carbon fiber is most likely there for cosmetic/novelty reasons instead of true, critical functionality. I suggest this on the following basis:
  • this kind of simple weave fabric in a flexible matrix adds very little stiffness if any at all
  • the fabric is laid on the bias, with a 45-degree angle between the warp and the long direction, meaning that it will contribute little additional tensile strength when you pull on the ends of the strap
  • the matrix resin is clear to provide a view of the fiber
This reminds me of the days when I worked on polymer materials for a manufacturer of skis. I got the chance to see them build up carbon fiber-reinforced models (labeled and marketed) on their production line and it was eye opening. The tech would literally pull four feet of gauzy CF yarn off a spool and lay it between two plies of the ski. Absolutely and completely functionally irrelevant. I had to chuckle. They weren't lying...but they...well, they weren't technically lying.

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Finally, the last category of flexible resin straps is "unknown" because they are not labeled with any discernible polymer type designation. They are most often found on older, vintage models and sometimes the straps are more plasticky/hard feeling. I think there's a reasonable likelihood that some of these straps that feel like modern straps are probably made of polyurethane but just not labeled as such. To be certain, we'd have to test the material or identify a period in time when plastic parts labeling requirements or legislation came into force.

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I'd like to know about the Combi bracelets next. But as far as I can tell, there are no identity markings on any of the ones I own. This includes the Combi V2 for squares and the Combi for the Gulfmaster.

Perhaps one of you might want to pose the question to your local Support office?

Let's take a closer look at the bezels next time. It's possible that they are polyurethane as well but we'd need to see markings or hear from Support to be sure.

What I can say is that polyurethanes are a very versatile class of polymer and Casio has likely gotten very expert in their use over decades.
This was an amazing post! Very informative and a real pleasure to read. Thank you so much for your time to write it!
 
I think this has been covered in other threads but there seem to be some “Resin” experts on this thread.
What would be the best way to look after the resin parts?
I’d assume to maybe wash occasionally to remove sweat/oils.
If so, is there any special type of soap and what if any type of product would help preserve the resin.
Thinking particular about DW5000/5200/5600C resin as there are currently hard to find and I’d like to preserve the parts I have. And any different recommendations for current resins like the softer GW5000 and regular DW5600E.
Thanks 🙏.
 
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I think this has been covered in other threads but there seem to be some “Resin” experts on this thread.
What would be the best way to look after the resin parts?
I’d assume to maybe wash occasionally to remove sweat/oils.
If so, is there any special type of soap and what if any type of product would help preserve the resin.
Thinking particular about DW5000/5200/5600C resin as there are currently hard to find and I’d like to preserve the parts I have. And any different recommendations for current resins like the softer GW5000 and regular DW5600E.
Thanks 🙏.
If by formulating urethane and TPE and other similar resins for use in industrial products, then yes, some folks here have knowledge.

The fault with the early formulations seems to be in the intrinsic nature of the resin and the preservative packages. Both seem to have employed systems that did not go through the right accelerated aging testing, otherwise they would have been able to predict the precipitous and catastrophic degradation over time. As a result, they probably used common packages for products that would not have been expected to resist the elements (ozone, UV, etc.) for a decade or more. Meaning, not powerful marine or automotive formulations, for example.

Since the weakness is in the intrinsic composition of the resin that makes up the entire piece (e.g., bezel) there is no way to stop or even really slow down the degradation. The oiliness or stickiness you feel on old resin is not skin oil or environmental dirt. It's the oils and additives coming out of the resin and the resin itself breaking down as a result.

And you don't really have to go back to the late 80's, early 90's to encounter poor resins. Here's what remains of a bezel from a circa 2004 G-7210. You can see the oily exudate. Also, this failure wasn't just weakening and tearing. It literally crumbled apart as you touched the watch. I wasn't even trying to take it off the case. This degree of failure isn't rare. But coming relatively recently...that's a bit surprising.

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