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Hi all, I just needed to vent this because I know that it's something that we've all been through and it sucks...

Awhile ago, I fell in love with the Bulova Jet Star #96K112 (Limited Edition):
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The silver dial with the royal and crimson accents just speaks to me (probably because I'm a Habs fan...lol) but the RRP of this watch is $895CAD and finding it for less than that is next to impossible because demand for it is high. It is, after all, the Limited Edition and just looks incredible (especially from a brand like Bulova that has A LOT of ugly watches in its catalogue). I figured that I'd buy one sooner or later but that $895CAD price seemed pretty steep. I knew that I wanted one though because I saw this WatchChris video comparing different movements and this Bulova 262kHz Precisionist movement rivals the Grand Seiko Spring Drive when it comes to fluidity.
I had seen this fluidity before on Precisionist pieces and it is beautiful to behold, but unfortunately, the rest of the Precisionist dials are a dog's breakfast of busy-ness that make them a real pain to actually read. A good example is the 46.5mm Bulova Precisionist Icon:
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It's not hard to read when it's a blown-up image, but on a watch, it just looks like a mess. I know some people like this style (and more power to you), but I like dials to be reasonably clean. This Precisionist however, I've looked at it in-hand and it's a pain to read with all that's going on with the dial. When the Jet Star came out, I figured that my prayers had been answered.

Anyway, an AD about an hour's drive from me suddenly had it on sale for about $300CAD off and when I saw that, it was the same reaction I had to seeing the Lunar Pilot drop from $825CAD to $545CAD. I was in a state of excited shock as I called them to hold it for me until I got there. I drove out to the AD and saw it in all its 262kHz glory, as beautiful as it looked in all the videos.

Then, I put it on my wrist and realised that I hadn't taken the case size into account because nobody ever complains about 40mm dials. My heart just sank as I realised that not only was it too small for my wrist, it was WAY too small. Initially, I was going to get it anyway because I wanted it that bad but I recognised that impluse and took a breath. I took off my jacket and tried it on my bare arm but... nope. The problem is that my wrists are 60mm-wide rectangles with flat tops and pretty squared corners so there was about a centimetre of flat bracelet to the north and south of the dial (which looked downright weird). This created a visual effect that only served to make it look even smaller still. It looked lost and ridiculous and I had to make the tough decision to leave it. It was the longest hour's drive back home that I've had in a long time, fuming over the lesson that a Lunar Pilot wrist can't pull off a Jet Star. :mad:

I actually sent a message to Bulova asking them to make a "Jumbo Jet Star" (catchy name, eh?) for their Lunar Pilot customers who want to get their hands on a Jet Star (and I'm sure that there are a crap-tonne of us). The dial diameter I suggested to them was 44mm because I figured that anyone whose wrists are too big for a 40mm would likely be able to pull off a 44mm and someone whose wrists are too small for a 44mm could pull off a 40mm. I would be equally happy with a 45 or 46mm model though. ;)

It made me curious though as to whether or not people think that a Jumbo Jet Star would be successful or not. So, whaddya think, would it be a good idea for Bulova to do this based on the success that they've had with the Lunar Pilot?
 
Interesting story. I actually had the same experience as you trying on the watch. I didn't have to drive an hour to see one, but it's been difficult to find one in a store to actually try on. I was amazed by watching the YouTube videos and everyone gushing over the watch so when I finally saw one at a jewelry store I was very excited. The finishing was indeed quite good and the watch looked great overall. All that changed when I tried it on. It felt really tiny. I wouldn't believe it was actually a 40mm watch. Now, my wrists aren't huge; they're about 7.5 inches and 52mm across. While I do enjoy larger watches and most of my watches are in the 42-44 range, I do have 40mm watches as well and I've actually been trying on a lot of smaller watches and I'm growing accustomed to seeing them on my wrist. This is why I thought this 40mm Bulova would be a great everyday grab and go watch. Boy, was I wrong about that. It felt like a 36mm watch on my wrist. I guess it has to do with the rather short lugs and the case shape. I don't know how I would feel about it being 44mm but if they would do a 42mm version, I'm sure I'd be ok with that.
On another note, the price tags of new Bulovas in Canada is just plain ridiculous.
 
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Interesting story. I actually had the same experience as you trying on the watch. I didn't have to drive an hour to see one, but it's been difficult to find one in a store to actually try on. I was amazed by watching the YouTube videos and everyone gushing over the watch so when I finally saw one at a jewelry store I was very excited. The finishing was indeed quite good and the watch looked great overall. All that changed when I tried it on. It felt really tiny. I wouldn't believe it was actually a 40mm watch. Now, my wrists aren't huge; they're about 7.5 inches and 52mm across. While I do enjoy larger watches and most of my watches are in the 42-44 range, I do have 40mm watches as well and I've actually been trying on a lot of smaller watches and I'm growing accustomed to seeing them on my wrist. This is why I thought this 40mm Bulova would be a great everyday grab and go watch. Boy, was I wrong about that. It felt like a 36mm watch on my wrist. I guess it has to do with the rather short lugs and the case shape. I don't know how I would feel about it being 44mm but if they would do a 42mm version, I'm sure I'd be ok with that.
On another note, the price tags of new Bulovas in Canada is just plain ridiculous.
This IS an interesting discussion. The basis of the watches were the vintage JetStar A and B variants. Those are smaller, so the 40mm size was based on the 262khz movement. My wrist is a touch over 7” and I’ve got no issue with it. I can pull off the 42.5mm new Lunar Pilot, but not the 45mm one.
There’s always the Accutron II Surveyor. Those are 42,43mm, 262khz movement, varying colors, and nice strap options. But they aren’t quite as dazzling as the JetStars.
I’m fairly sure you won’t see a larger JetStar like the ones currently in productio , but…
There are other case shapes and other designs to be done with that line, so we have perhaps not seen the last of them yet
 
I agree with your points that this is a vintage inspired release, so likely won't see a larger version. I have looked at the Surveyor in the past but never ended up buying one. While they are nice watches, the Jetstar is a notch above in terms of quality and finishing. Hopefully we see more reasonably sized watches with the 262Hz movement, not the Precisionist monstrosities that they have now. Like I said in my previous post, I'm ok with a 40mm watch, it's just the shape of this case makes it wear much smaller than the dimensions would suggest.
 
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Good question.

I have the current model and think it works very well for me, and I am not sure what the reception would be by others for a larger size? Maybe yes, maybe no???

IMHO, sometimes when Bulova offers a larger watch, it can almost be "too large", such as the Precisionist, the big Lunar Pilot, etc...

To each their own, so who knows if they will offer this great watch in a larger size?

I enjoy mine "as is"...

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I agree with your points that this is a vintage inspired release, so likely won't see a larger version. I have looked at the Surveyor in the past but never ended up buying one. While they are nice watches, the Jetstar is a notch above in terms of quality and finishing. Hopefully we see more reasonably sized watches with the 262Hz movement, not the Precisionist monstrosities that they have now. Like I said in my previous post, I'm ok with a 40mm watch, it's just the shape of this case makes it wear much smaller than the dimensions would suggest.
I agree that the JetStar has bigger finishing than the surveyor. There are a couple new offerings from Bulova in the future, a new surveyor is one of them. But getting the 262 movement is harder it seems for now.
Historically, Bulova hasn’t offered different sizes of the same watch in the same production run. The A15 is a great example. Came in at 42, reduced to z40, then bumped back up larger. .
 
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Interesting story. I actually had the same experience as you trying on the watch. I didn't have to drive an hour to see one, but it's been difficult to find one in a store to actually try on. I was amazed by watching the YouTube videos and everyone gushing over the watch so when I finally saw one at a jewelry store I was very excited.
I can totally relate to that. I felt exactly the same way when the salesgirl brought it out.
The finishing was indeed quite good and the watch looked great overall. All that changed when I tried it on. It felt really tiny. I wouldn't believe it was actually a 40mm watch. Now, my wrists aren't huge; they're about 7.5 inches and 52mm across. While I do enjoy larger watches and most of my watches are in the 42-44 range, I do have 40mm watches as well and I've actually been trying on a lot of smaller watches and I'm growing accustomed to seeing them on my wrist. This is why I thought this 40mm Bulova would be a great everyday grab and go watch. Boy, was I wrong about that. It felt like a 36mm watch on my wrist. I guess it has to do with the rather short lugs and the case shape. I don't know how I would feel about it being 44mm but if they would do a 42mm version, I'm sure I'd be ok with that.
You see, this is why I don't believe that wrist circumference is all that applicable when figuring out what size watches you should be looking at. My wrists are actually smaller than yours in circumference (7"-7ÂĽ") but a full 60mm across with almost no taper to the cliffs that are the sides of my wrists. As you say, the 40mm Jet Star does wear much smaller than the 40mm would seem to indicate. I was honestly shocked at how small it ended up being because I do have a couple of 40mm watches in my collection. One I almost never wear and the other has an integrated bracelet which makes it just big enough for me to pull off. I never expected this watch to be the way it is because it doesn't look like a small watch in all the images and videos I saw. In fact, the design of the watch seems kinda chunky which would be odd for a smaller watch.
On another note, the price tags of new Bulovas in Canada is just plain ridiculous.
Tell me about it. You have to take into consideration the fact that the Canadian dollar is weak but that does'I've pretty much given up on Bulova because, while I love my 45mm Lunar Pilot (fits perfectly), most of their watches are just....no.
I agree with your points that this is a vintage inspired release, so likely won't see a larger version. I have looked at the Surveyor in the past but never ended up buying one. While they are nice watches, the Jetstar is a notch above in terms of quality and finishing. Hopefully we see more reasonably sized watches with the 262Hz movement, not the Precisionist monstrosities that they have now. Like I said in my previous post, I'm ok with a 40mm watch, it's just the shape of this case makes it wear much smaller than the dimensions would suggest.
If Bulova thinks that it will make them money, I'm sure that they'll do it. It would completely revitalise their brand. Like, personally, I think that Bulova should just drop all non-Precisionist quartz watches and just use the Precisionist. It would make them special and set them apart from everyone else. It would be something that they'd be known and respected for, instead of having a catalogue full of ugly mall watches that have nothing special about them.
Good question.

I have the current model and think it works very well for me, and I am not sure what the reception would be by others for a larger size? Maybe yes, maybe no???

IMHO, sometimes when Bulova offers a larger watch, it can almost be "too large", such as the Precisionist, the big Lunar Pilot, etc...

To each their own, so who knows if they will offer this great watch in a larger size?

I enjoy mine "as is"...

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I envy the hell out of you my friend, do not doubt that. I'll post a pic of the watch I'm wearing now and you'll see the problem I have. ;)
I agree that the JetStar has bigger finishing than the surveyor. There are a couple new offerings from Bulova in the future, a new surveyor is one of them. But getting the 262 movement is harder it seems for now.
Historically, Bulova hasn’t offered different sizes of the same watch in the same production run. The A15 is a great example. Came in at 42, reduced to z40, then bumped back up larger. .
Same production run, no. Different production run, yes. The Lunar Pilot "Mini" comes to mind. The fact that they made a smaller LP gives me hope.
 
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So here's my problem. I used my Invicta Grand Diver as a point of reference because it's my biggest watch with a 47mm dial, 55mm lug-to-lug, a height of 14.4mm and a weight of about 220g. As you can see, this watch fits the width of my wrist about perfectly:
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What you can't see is that my wrist is as flat as a griddle with corners that have almost zero taper to them. They're kind of like cliff edges and that huge watch has no overhang or noticeable gaps on my wrist. You can see how flat my wrist-top is here and how abrupt the corners are:
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So, I'm just screwed when it comes to smaller watches. Like I said, even though it looks normal on my wrist, a Grand Diver is an absolute monster. Here's a picture of it next to a normal Pro Diver which is 40mm, the most common size for a men's watch today:
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This guy's wrist can't even take the Grand Diver as it hangs over on both sides. He's got a normal wrist so the GD looks huge but on my wrist, the GD looks normal and the PD looks like a kid's toy watch.
 
I'd say that you are just used to bigger watches not that it's too small on you. 40mm really isn't that small.
It really depends on the wrist. OP’s pics show a very rectangular wrist, rather than the oval most of us have. With that kind of drape off the wrist, that makes him the exception rather than the rule. In that sense, a 40mm wouldn’t work, because the lug to lug makes a difference. The JetStar has a short lug to lug, and that makes a difference.
 
I agree that the JetStar has bigger finishing than the surveyor. There are a couple new offerings from Bulova in the future, a new surveyor is one of them.
Looking forward to these. I just wish they didn't use the basic 8000 series movements in their automatics and more 262kHz in their quartz.
 
I owned the red dial version for about a month. Something about the proportions and the high polish everywhere screamed "old man watch" to me. I wore it about 8 times and sold it.

Shame. A lovely watch but just not for me. I do wonder if the silver dial on a strap would have suited better but oh well.
 
I owned the red dial version for about a month. Something about the proportions and the high polish everywhere screamed "old man watch" to me. I wore it about 8 times and sold it.

Shame. A lovely watch but just not for me. I do wonder if the silver dial on a strap would have suited better but oh well.
It’s an interesting watch. I haven’t had your issue. But I did just get the red dial surveyor in, same dial, but a bit more elegant? I wonder what your thoughts on that would be. The majority take is that the JetStar is more sporty.
 
Good question.

I have the current model and think it works very well for me, and I am not sure what the reception would be by others for a larger size? Maybe yes, maybe no???

IMHO, sometimes when Bulova offers a larger watch, it can almost be "too large", such as the Precisionist, the big Lunar Pilot, etc...

To each their own, so who knows if they will offer this great watch in a larger size?

I enjoy mine "as is"...

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I'm starting to think you and me have the same tastes. Last Friday I got one of these.
 
I saw the smooth sweep of the Precisionist movements and wanted one myself.

I found an older (but "stored since new in box" condition) Precisionist Wilton Chronograph from 2012 and purchased it from eBay. This is a BIG watch - 47mm outside case diameter. Maybe it's something you could find used too.

2012 Bulova Precisionist Wilton


-Noel
 
I saw the smooth sweep of the Precisionist movements and wanted one myself.

I found an older (but "stored since new in box" condition) Precisionist Wilton Chronograph from 2012 and purchased it from eBay. This is a BIG watch - 47mm outside case diameter. Maybe it's something you could find used too.

I had one after they first came out. Tall sucker as well. Isn’t it 45mm? I had to let mine go, just didn’t wear it enough.














2012 Bulova Precisionist Wilton





-Noel
 
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