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This watch was not high on my wish list when it came out. Infact, I was one of the few people to point out the glaring issue that this thing has which is the LCD screen having a black area because it does not fit the faceplate properly. But then again, the QC with Casio's modules in their entry level watches seem to include more lemons these days as we also saw with the WS-1700H.


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The watch has a retro-futuristic look to it

While this watch was not something I was going to get, an opportunity came up for an exchange with a DW-280 that I had laying around and the rest is history.

Honestly speaking, even when I bemoaned about that black area in the top left of the screen, it is something easy to forget once you start using this watch. As the big time and calendar display might be an indication, this watch focuses on readability first and on fancy animations, second. When you glance at this watch to see the time, you will easily get the desire information. The top gobbledygook is easily forgotten.

The same can't be said for its supposed predecessor though, the AE-1300.

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I've never liked the waste of screen real estate and the AE-1300 personifies that quite well. Half of the faceplate is occupied with text and counters that the user does not even need. When you glance at this watch, this all sticks out to you like an ugly duckling first and the time is secondary thing you see. Another point going against this watch is the thin display for the time as well as the tiny space allocated for the calendar data. Although the AE-1200, the sister watch to this one is even worse in displaying calendar data, the nostalgia surrounding that watch because of the visual similarities to the Seiko G-757 saved it from much criticism and elevated it to a cult classic status. Something which can't be said about the AE-1300.

Casio is known to repackage their watches. But not every repackage goes according to plan. The WS-1600H is however, is a masterclass in how repackaging is done right. By focusing on legibility and minimizing the crap that was taking half the faceplate, Casio turned an obscure, less known watch into a sales success. You will find more people talking about the WS-1600H than the AE-1300 and even showcasing the popular mods done to the ever more popular AE-1200.

While the internet would have you believe that the WS-1600H is a repackage of the AE-1300, thats just the tip of the iceberg. When you get to the test screen of this watch, things start to get a little interesting.

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The module number displayed here, actually traces back to another obscure G-Shock from the mid-2000s. A quick google search traces the module number back to this gem here.

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Thats the DW-56RT referee timer G-Shock, circa 2006. An obscure square that not many people know about because of its limited time on the market as well as limited availability. The internals of both the AE-1300 and WS-1600H actually come from the G-Shock of old. But that should not come as a surprise as unique modules are uncommon for Casio which is understandable given the affordable nature of their timepieces. Afterall, the AE-1200 also does not have a unique module of its own but shares it with many world timers as well as some G-Shocks in the Xtra large series. Its just cool to discover the intricacies and the extent of how much the internals of one Casio are being utilized across other models.

Back to the cons of this watch, its not the features that bother me unlike the reviewers have said, I actually like a digital watch to have as much features it can get, its actually how the main time is displayed in the other modes of the watch. Its only useful when the watch is in 24-hour time display. For the 12-hour time display, you have no idea whether its morning or evening. This is true if you have the watch in world time mode to use as a dual timer, you have to make that estimation every single time in that mode. This oversight, although a minor one (as it only involved printing a small "P" on the top row of the segmented display and having it activate in the afternoon hours) contains major implications. The fact that this quirk has been there for almost 20 years without any real effort put into fixing it, makes it all the more frustrating.

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For me, the two cons do not outweigh the pros of this watch. I owned a DW-56RT a few years ago and its good to reacquaint myself with its cheaper derivative once again. The good backlight, excellent legibility of the time, the twin-graph-II esque style graphs on top of the display occupying lesser space than before as well as the focus on timers make this a great watch. The easily availability for replacement parts and the fact that the parts made for the AE-1200 by the modding community can also fit this one makes it a plus for me to see what is possible to make this one better, because honestly I do not like acrylic crystals all that much in daily use.

As the title of this review puts it, the referee G-Shock lives on, albeit more accessible than ever but on the downside, carrying the few defects from the last time we saw it, and then some.
 
I've never liked the waste of screen real estate and the AE-1300 personifies that quite well. Half of the faceplate is occupied with text and counters that the user does not even need.
Totally with you on that, I much prefer the 1600, as well. As for the DW-56RT, I was in the market for one for a long time but stopped collecting non-screwback Gs before having had the opportunity to get it. I still like the watch a lot, though.
 
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Totally with you on that, I much prefer the 1600, as well. As for the DW-56RT, I was in the market for one for a long time but stopped collecting non-screwback Gs before having had the opportunity to get it. I still like the watch a lot, though.
I regret selling mine. Though I had my reasons. It was white and it was mint. It would get dirty real fast the more I wore it. So I am still in the market for one with a black bezel and band.
 
I regret selling mine. Though I had my reasons. It was white and it was mint. It would get dirty real fast the more I wore it. So I am still in the market for one with a black bezel and band.
I would be going for the black version myself, I've very much been a latecomer to the whole white G thing, but I've always loved the graphics on the white one, that Times typeface around the edges is brilliant, I wish Casio made more such left-field choices.
 
That DW-56RT firmware number on the display would explain why the WS-1600H's date is set to 2004 if you do an AC reset. That's probably when they started developing that model.
The WS-1600H circuit board itself has "3299" printed on it, which is the AE-1200's module number. That makes me think that the AE-1300 and the WS-1600H have the DW-56RT's firmware (perhaps with added code for the animations in the top section) flashed onto an AE-1200 PCB.

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My main gripes are with the black area in the top left corner and the colored accents on the faceplate. If the lettering on the cases would have matched those accents, the watch would have looked a lot better. Thankfully there are aftermarket options.

As for the AE-1300 vs the WS-1600H ... I don't really have a preference. While I agree that the animations on the 1300 should have taken up less space, I don't think the end result looks bad. That's probably why I have three 1300s and only a single 1600.
 
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Interesting. The saga of parts sharing continues. I believe all three watches share the same circuit board (as it has to fit inside the same case) instead of the PCB which would be different for each watch as these are non-reprogrammable units soldered onto each circuit board. But thats what I reckon based on what I have seen with the modules (the circuit board is shaped according to the case in which it fits in), there might be more to this.

I share your main gripe for the 1600, coupled with a gripe of my own which I mentioned in the review. I plan to do a case mod on mine. Its time I tried one of these metallic cases to see if they live up to the hype.

As far as the 1300 is concerned, it does not look cool to me. The faceplate is more mismatched than the 1600, the date display is harder to read and coupled with the fact that I have never been a fan of these LCD "eyes" which just waste screen space, that sums it up for me. A lot of people share the same sentiment. Though with everything else, thats a matter of personal preference.
 
Interesting. The saga of parts sharing continues. I believe all three watches share the same circuit board (as it has to fit inside the same case) instead of the PCB which would be different for each watch as these are non-reprogrammable units soldered onto each circuit board. But thats what I reckon based on what I have seen with the modules (the circuit board is shaped according to the case in which it fits in), there might be more to this.
I did a bit more digging. It looks like the DW-56RT and the WS-1600H only really share the firmware. Hardware-wise they seem to have nothing in common, except perhaps the chip itself. Some YT vids show that the DW certainly has a much more hexagonal module and an EL backlight.

This thread made me dive a bit deeper into the module and firmware numbers for all members of the "Royale Family", and some of the stuff I've already encountered in the first 30 minutes is very interesting indeed.
I think I'm going to start a separate topic for that sometime next week, probably something blog-like. "Casimodo's Royale Ramblings" or something like that.
 
This watch was not high on my wish list when it came out. Infact, I was one of the few people to point out the glaring issue that this thing has which is the LCD screen having a black area because it does not fit the faceplate properly. But then again, the QC with Casio's modules in their entry level watches seem to include more lemons these days as we also saw with the WS-1700H.


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The watch has a retro-futuristic look to it

While this watch was not something I was going to get, an opportunity came up for an exchange with a DW-280 that I had laying around and the rest is history.

Honestly speaking, even when I bemoaned about that black area in the top left of the screen, it is something easy to forget once you start using this watch. As the big time and calendar display might be an indication, this watch focuses on readability first and on fancy animations, second. When you glance at this watch to see the time, you will easily get the desire information. The top gobbledygook is easily forgotten.

The same can't be said for its supposed predecessor though, the AE-1300.

View attachment 18796885

I've never liked the waste of screen real estate and the AE-1300 personifies that quite well. Half of the faceplate is occupied with text and counters that the user does not even need. When you glance at this watch, this all sticks out to you like an ugly duckling first and the time is secondary thing you see. Another point going against this watch is the thin display for the time as well as the tiny space allocated for the calendar data. Although the AE-1200, the sister watch to this one is even worse in displaying calendar data, the nostalgia surrounding that watch because of the visual similarities to the Seiko G-757 saved it from much criticism and elevated it to a cult classic status. Something which can't be said about the AE-1300.

Casio is known to repackage their watches. But not every repackage goes according to plan. The WS-1600H is however, is a masterclass in how repackaging is done right. By focusing on legibility and minimizing the crap that was taking half the faceplate, Casio turned an obscure, less known watch into a sales success. You will find more people talking about the WS-1600H than the AE-1300 and even showcasing the popular mods done to the ever more popular AE-1200.

While the internet would have you believe that the WS-1600H is a repackage of the AE-1300, thats just the tip of the iceberg. When you get to the test screen of this watch, things start to get a little interesting.

View attachment 18796900

The module number displayed here, actually traces back to another obscure G-Shock from the mid-2000s. A quick google search traces the module number back to this gem here.

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Thats the DW-56RT referee timer G-Shock, circa 2006. An obscure square that not many people know about because of its limited time on the market as well as limited availability. The internals of both the AE-1300 and WS-1600H actually come from the G-Shock of old. But that should not come as a surprise as unique modules are uncommon for Casio which is understandable given the affordable nature of their timepieces. Afterall, the AE-1200 also does not have a unique module of its own but shares it with many world timers as well as some G-Shocks in the Xtra large series. Its just cool to discover the intricacies and the extent of how much the internals of one Casio are being utilized across other models.

Back to the cons of this watch, its not the features that bother me unlike the reviewers have said, I actually like a digital watch to have as much features it can get, its actually how the main time is displayed in the other modes of the watch. Its only useful when the watch is in 24-hour time display. For the 12-hour time display, you have no idea whether its morning or evening. This is true if you have the watch in world time mode to use as a dual timer, you have to make that estimation every single time in that mode. This oversight, although a minor one (as it only involved printing a small "P" on the top row of the segmented display and having it activate in the afternoon hours) contains major implications. The fact that this quirk has been there for almost 20 years without any real effort put into fixing it, makes it all the more frustrating.

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For me, the two cons do not outweigh the pros of this watch. I owned a DW-56RT a few years ago and its good to reacquaint myself with its cheaper derivative once again. The good backlight, excellent legibility of the time, the twin-graph-II esque style graphs on top of the display occupying lesser space than before as well as the focus on timers make this a great watch. The easily availability for replacement parts and the fact that the parts made for the AE-1200 by the modding community can also fit this one makes it a plus for me to see what is possible to make this one better, because honestly I do not like acrylic crystals all that much in daily use.

As the title of this review puts it, the referee G-Shock lives on, albeit more accessible than ever but on the downside, carrying the few defects from the last time we saw it, and then some.
I have put my ws-1600 in a steel case for an AE-1200 it fits perfectly.
 
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