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Very nice watch. Quite rare and expensive. I think a Swiss watch around 1900. Box is from a jeweler , not the watchcompany. Inner glass missing. It seems to have a chronograph function. Peculiar medals on the case. Look a bit Persian.
 

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I can't help much - but I know enough to know that a minute repeater with a chrono function is highly unusual. The little engravings scratched in the cover are marks made by watchmakers to record their work. Unfortunately, there was no standard system - so often we can get no information from them.

Hopefully the experts will be along shortly and we can all learn something about the watch you posted...
 

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Hi I'm completely new to all this as well. This is my first ever post on any forum ever.
i have just opened up Google to search for a watch that I own and after 2 mins of searching I find this and this watch is identical to the one I own apart from mine has a gold dial. Can not believe my luck as I have tried to search this watch a couple of years ago and had no luck.
cant wait to see what people say about this watch.
still can not get over how we both have the same pocket watch and both decide to research them at the same time.
im not to sure on how to upload pictures but if I figure it out then I will post some.
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inside cover
numbers, 20211
also has a 14k mark in a box also what looks like a squirrel


Inside back cover
numbers, 20211
also has a 14k mark in a box and also has what looks like a squirrel


cover inside back cover
reads, REPETITION A MINUTES CHRONOGRAPHY
Also has the same numbers, 20211
and also 7 what looks like medals.


also 2 other hallmarks up on the winder / push button. Can't read them!


also has expedition case back. Exactly the same as the watch in pictures.




really would love to find out more on these watches. Age, origin and price would be nice to know too as I have had this watch just sat here in my draw for some time.
watch seams to work perfectly as it should.


thank you to anyone taking the time to read or read and reply.
 

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The overall characteristics of the movement lead me to believe that it's probably by Le Phare who specialised in this sort of thing. I can't find an exact match, though.....

A wonderful watch!

Hartmut Richter
 

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Sadly no. The Cal. 78 (actually the Cal. ZMC - it is simply No. 78 in the catalogue) belongs to a whole range of Le Phare movements with balance bridges (sort of opposite the main movement rather than at right angles to it, and with a hole in them) rather than balance cocks.

If you go to e.g. the 19''' section of repeater movements on Faszination Uhrwerk (i.e. page http://www.faszination-uhrwerk.de/w/w19/r19/repetition-19.html), you see loads of Le Phare movements. Some with balance bridge, some with balance cock. Some with chronograph, some without. But unfortunately, no exact match.....:-( But it does go to show the enormous diversity of repeater movements that Le Phare made. Considering the fact that many modern makers go to specialists for their repeaters (most notably Christophe Claret) - and don't tell anyone! - it puts Le Phare at the forefront of movement makers in their day. A very underrated company.

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inside cover
numbers, 20211
also has a 14k mark in a box also what looks like a squirrel


Inside back cover
numbers, 20211
also has a 14k mark in a box and also has what looks like a squirrel




also 2 other hallmarks up on the winder / push button. Can't read them!
The squirrel is 14 K Swiss hallmark Reading Swiss hallmarks and other marks found in watch cases Look at the shape of the shield also to date the watch before or after 1933. UK import hallmarks? A search on the internet shows that Bishop was active around 1900 in Bournemouth UK. Also you will find a Vulcain minute repeater with similar dial but different movement or a JW Benson with similar minute repeater parts but different movement http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mint-J-W-Benson-of-London-Minute-Repeater-Watch-1890-/361078487555
 

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Hi, yeah it is amazing but like I said what's more amazing is that we both try to research them on the Same day and I tried to find one similar years ago with no luck. Any way I think I have figured it out now so hopefully I can upload these pictures that I have taken. If you want more just say and I will be happy to upload more. Sorry about the quality as they were taken on my phone.

Thanks for everyone that has commented on here. I have read and looked into everyone's comments.

I think that enrico's guess iv very close. Invicta, founded by Raphel Picard in 1837
So well done!

Hartmut Richter said that the movement leads him to a Le Phare. Which is the ones that I found years ago to be the closest match. But now I think Invicta is the closest match.

Thank you Cura for the post I'm looking into hallmarks now!
I actually see some hallmarks up on the top by the button that opens case to reveal the dial. Looks like those XXX? Can't workout what pattern there in also can't make out the other marks!

Again thank you to everyone who has commented!

Hope you enjoy the pictures!
(If they upload!) :-(

Regards Charles


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Very nice watches, both of them. Le Phare didn't brand their movements very often. I have not seen one. Invicta normally is on the dial or the inner case .The most special are the medals on the inner case. Does somebody have some idea??????? Somebody from Bournemouth if we conclude that the box belongs to the watch. The sun and lion are typical old Persian symbols. Maybe the V means something. Persian revolution 1905? A gift for a special occasion of some kind?
 

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Hi, firstly I wanna thank you for your comments. Much appreciated. I don't think the box is original to the watch, I think it has no connection at all. I think it was just put in there for safe keeping. I really do hope someone comes along soon that can teach us some facts about these watches.
thanks again!
Regards Charles
 

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Ehrm, no - I meant that the movement is by Le Phare. That does not necessarily mean that the watch is also by them. Le Phare acted as an ebaucherie, selling their movements to others so these others didn't have to spend time and money developing their own movements for complex watches (and you can hardly get any more complicated than a minute repeater with chronograph - unless you start adding other complications.....).

Hartmut Richter
 

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Like cura says, the flag is a post-revolutionary one. It looks very similar to the Naval ensign used between 1907-1935. The later flag has the sun resting on top of the sun itself.






These are possibly watches given after the ascension of one or another of the Shahs, as the image of the man in the medallions looks like it could be one of several.

The castles or towers could be three like this one, there appears to be several in Iran.


 
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