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Hi - I recently acquired this 1914 Elgin Trench Watch which was briefly discussed in another thread, so thought I would add some details:

- Large size '6' 38 mm case excluding the crown
- 'Silverode' Philadelphia Watch Case
- Size '6' shrapnel guard by S. Glagovsky of Haverhill, Massachusetts
- 7 jewel Movement serial number 18238477

This watch is an example of a vintage watch, whatever it looked like originally (which probably didn't work) which has been Completely Refurbished - personally, of the vintage watches I have acquired recently, this is the only one that has been refurbished like this.

Increasingly, I can see the real 'vintage' benefit and point of acquiring watches that have good patina, vintage 'style' and have not been refurbished or adapted, but I thought this was a good example of a US Trench that was larger and in really good shape, to wear not every day but more often than that.

In accuracy tests, it was slow by less than a second over 24 hours, so it's very accurate. S
 

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Very nice. The 6 sized early wrist watches are hard to come by...Most using American movements were either 0s or 3/0s. The dial is porcelain, so it would not develop patina like a metal dial. The radium-based luminous paint has been removed...

I think it looks good...and it certainly runs well...Congrats.
 

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Thanks Paleotime, it's taken me a little getting used to the smaller size of vintage watches, so when I had the chance to get this and a Longines Trench that was also 38 mm I grabbed them. But the more I wear the 33-35 mm round style vintage watches I have acquired the more I have enjoyed the smaller sizes. I think my Wife is also getting used the the smaller sizes as she has stopped calling them ''Women's Watches' !! Cheers, S


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As I have indicated before, I don't believe Elgin were selling many wristwatches in 1914. They were trying and we have some adverts from 1913.
But even by 1916 Elgin were fighting the establishment to convince men to waer a wristwatch.

The movement is surely 1914 but my feeling these were pocket watch movement cased as wristwatches more circa 1916. Hence the larger size 6 movement

That is just my opinion based on my research.

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Adam
 

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Discussion Starter #5 (Edited)
Thanks Adam, that's fine, you're the expert - maybe I can call it '1914/1916' ? I can ask Stan to clarify the case year, Cheers, S


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Thanks Adam, that's fine, you're the expert - maybe I can call it '1914/1916' ? Cheers, S


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Nope not the expert, but my opinion.
If it was my watch, I would tell people it has a movement from 1914, but I suspect it became a wristwatch in 1916/17.
I mean to put a shrapnel guard on it, puts it WWI which for Americans was 1917??

Anyway enjoy it, its timekeeping is remarkable for sure
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Adam, you know a boatload more than I do - that's for sure - I still love that Madras and Rangoon watch you have. In London on Saturday I saw an 18k 'late teens' Tiffany trench, red '12' by West End that had a pristine dial....


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Adam, you know a boatload more than I do - that's for sure - I still love that Madras and Rangoon watch you have. In London on Saturday I saw an 18k 'late teens' Tiffany trench, red '12' by West End that had a pristine dial....


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LOL - that does not make me an expert, not by a long way.

The P. ORR & SONS was a great buy, I love it.
A Tiffany piece is always well sought after so if you can get one at a decent price and West End movement is good - grab it!!!
 

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£1200 before negotiating...a guy on portobello on the sidewalk so no rent but they pay £150 each Saturday for their permit For their space I heard...


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£1200 before negotiating...a guy on portobello on the sidewalk so no rent but they pay £150 each Saturday for their permit For their space I heard...


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I think you could get it for 700 to 800 pounds .
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You haven't seen the Tiffany, but I assume you WOULDN'T Trade straight-up the 1921 Electa & Gallet I just got with the 'Christmas, 'J WF G'' inscription?

Of course if I did this then I couldn't trade this one to you !
 

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Teasing???
That looks what could be your best piece yet - I saw it on Ebay - 75 bids! Correct?

I would be more likely to trade for that than the Elgin.

Looks a very nice buy - then again so are both my P. ORR & SONNS.
A Rolex, is pretty super piece, in my top 10.

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PS: I think you were bidding against Gallet up to 156 Pounds
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Yes this one, with the above inscription I need to research the inscription if that's at all possible - I only mention this one because I know you have a couple of other Electa Gallets, but I would have to throw a few more into the trade to equal your rolex - I'm asking only from your POV if this one is more valuable than the Tiffany due to the watch plus the inscription... But it's not for Julian Gallet (he died I believe in 1849 !)..... I didn't mean the Elgin...




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By the way I had it serviced and a new main spring swapped and wore it Saturday and it was off after 10 hours by about 12 seconds predicted for a full day...


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The Tiffany I truly expect to me more sought after.
In my experience Tiffany adds a lot to the provenance.
My Electa/Gallet are all indirect sweep second - that was a very early first for them. Hence it intrigues me.

I had 3 (or 4) but I donated one to the NAWCC Museum wristwatch display
 

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Okay - sorry, I realise this thread is turning into a bi-lateral discussion, so thanks for your time - I will see on Saturday what kind of price this guy will do for the Tiffany/West End (not sure if it's possible to get £750 out of the primary account w/o my Wife seeing !) - I just purchased this 1923 sterling silver 'AB'/Longines, I had another thread for the 13.34 movement - looks like a really 'clean' original dial, 35 mm so good size - thanks again Adam, for the feedback ! Scott
 

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It is your thread, and threads should be allowed to go where forum members wish.

Yes I saw the Longines .
Enjoy.
 

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Then I should say 'SORRY' again for your thread I commented inside - the comment was meant to be humorous...cheers....S


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