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Here is a new purchase of mine: an 1960s HMT Jarwan (fake/ replica)...........or is it 1970s....or 1980s or.....

HMT Jarwan (Replica)
17 jewels manual wind, Made in India

Jarwan means soldier in Hindi, more particularly an infantryman. But it’s literal translation is young or youth. These watches were used by Indian Millitary in 1971 during India/Pak war. Since India was part of the British Commonwealth they kept the British "Broad Arrow" symbol on their military issued watches even after independence. Or so as I can find from the inter-web...... ;-)

eBay is awash with fakes and replicas of these and this is a fake/replica, but I knew this from just looking at the photos before I bought it. Note the crudely hand engraved Broad Arrow on the case back! It is so badly done that it is crooked! Real military issued watches would have the Broad Arrow cast into the case back during manufacture, and it wouldn't be crooked! :D But for 8 quid you can't argue. Genuine ones seems to go for 60 quid upwards which is way too much.

I call this a "fake/ replica" because it is a genuine HMT mocked up to look like the military Jarwan model. HMT have been making the civilian version of this watch since the early 1960s and are still making them today. So what you see here is either an actual old vintage HMT watch that has been redialled with the military dial and crudely engraved on the back. Or a brand new HMT watch that has been redialed with the military dial and crudely engraved on the back.
In car terms it is like getting a standard vintage car and modifying it to look like the sports version of that model back in the day.

Anyway it is a very smart watch with a workhorse of a movement (based on an old Citizen movement) and it keeps very accurate time. I might stick it on a dessert green NATO strap for that WW2 desert rat look. (yes I know WW2 would have had the leather wrist band type strap...)













 

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Looking at the night time picture, it is obviously not just a replica. The dial superluminova is quite strong and therefore applied recently, the stuff on the hands glows rather less strongly (Tritium?!). I therefore suspect that the watch is older and has been done up recently, including a redial (at which point the arrow symbol must also have been added). OK, so 8 quid is certainly not a lot - but they might have gone to the trouble of reluming the hands as well then!

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For £8 its a bargain having a mechanical piece on your wrist and its not a bad looking watch and is usable at night. I am not a purist but yes suspect its had some work done.
 

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Definitely looks like the Lume has been reapplied and even looks like a little on the hour minute hand, based on the color difference, although may be a trick of the light, also I have never seen that arrow on the dial before, although that may be something I just haven't seen, also the crystal (even though I don't think it's crystal) looks perfect, so that may have been replaced as well.
I'm no expert but I've been researching these a lot lately so I hope this helps, still nice though definitely

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I love the arrow carved in the case back too, that's awesome, haha

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The photo doesn't do it justice of just how crooked that arrow is! It's done so badly it is funny! :)
But I knew what I was buying. I am actually impressed at how clean the movement is as I was expecting it to be filthy or rusty, etc. For 8 quid you can't go wrong.
 

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I've been wearing it this week and timing it against my mobile phone it has lost 60 seconds over 7 days. So that is -8 secs a day. I don't think that is too bad? I may play with it and advance the timing to see how accurate I can get it.
 

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Sir what u got was a replica no doubt, that is indeed the HMT pilot redone as a jawan.. Pilot is a good deal and congrats on ur buy.. Check the pics of my pilot..
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I'm resurrecting this thread as after spending 8 quid on this watch and letting it sit in my watch box for 2 years, I finally took it out just for the "what are you doing thread" ;-) And I finally fitted a NATO strap last week which has brought a new lease of life to the watch. I'm really enjoying wearing it as much as any Omega! Fake or replica, call it what you will, but it is still a cool looking vintage watch and it keeps very good time. :) It has really grown on me. :)

As it came with "genuine leather" strap which burnt like a plastic bag when I put a lighter to it last week! ;-)



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By the way, what exactly is a Quid anyway? :think: Is it the same as a Pound Sterling or is it a fraction of one?
1 quid is 1 pound in the UK, it was 1 Punt in Ireland but since we use Euro now it is 1 Euro for me. ;-)

10 quid = a tenner = 10 Pound / Euro
5 quid = a fiver = 5 Pound / Euro :)
 

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Looks like a redial to me, the movement is probably genuine, but put together from several watches.

While a redial it is finished yo the original Jawan spec. The hands are wrong.

Genuine military issue hmt watches are very hard to find.

Loads of info on hmt in F71.

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Looks like a redial to me, the movement is probably genuine, but put together from several watches.

While a redial it is finished yo the original Jawan spec. The hands are wrong.

Genuine military issue hmt watches are very hard to find.

Loads of info on hmt in F71.

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Yes the hands are wrong and the dial is either replaced or repainted. The case has been ground and repolished as in between the lugs was left quite rough. And the "broad arrow" on the caseback is hand engraved and is crooked! :) :)
But I knew all this just from the photos on the advert as it was so obvious. But the movement is very clean, looks original and keeps very good time. But for the money I couldn't say no to a cool looking mechanical vintage watch.
In car terms it is like getting a 1960s Ford Capri 1.3GL and doing it up to look like the "hot" 3 litre V6 version. I like it nontheless!
What is F71 by the way?
 

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Welcome to the forum. I know almost nothing about HMT watches but I know enough about Pilot watches to be able to tell you that these things didn't have orange dials. Diver's might have, pilot's didn't. So, I assume your watch is not entirely original. Nevertheless, it may be a nearly entirely genuine HMT watch with just a bad redial. Others will tell you more.

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That is without doubt a redial! But nonetheless is it still a cool vintage watch that will serve you well. They are great watches. As I said at the start of this thread, I knew mine was redialled and with the wrong hands but I loved the look of it, and it is still a vintage mechanical watch for very little money. :)
 
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