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The movement, is it a center second, or does it have a seconds sub dial?
The case, bezel and caseback, can they be had polished?
I feel that the B-uhr theme has been overdone, be it A-dial or B-dial.
The only B-uhr dial I would contemplate, is the W-SS special.
Submarine units had a different dial too.
If you have a look on Knirim's site, there are some exciting dials there.
The question is, which era should we go for?
Pre- WW1, WW1, interwar era, or WW2?
Some examples. I hope it is OK to show the W-SS lettering?
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all pics borrowed from Knirim.
Name? Yes, why not?
If we select a Navy theme, I suggest a name of a ship of that era.
The case, bezel and caseback, can they be had polished?
I feel that the B-uhr theme has been overdone, be it A-dial or B-dial.
The only B-uhr dial I would contemplate, is the W-SS special.
Submarine units had a different dial too.
If you have a look on Knirim's site, there are some exciting dials there.
The question is, which era should we go for?
Pre- WW1, WW1, interwar era, or WW2?
Some examples. I hope it is OK to show the W-SS lettering?
all pics borrowed from Knirim.
Name? Yes, why not?
If we select a Navy theme, I suggest a name of a ship of that era.
The movement offered is a NOS Vintage Durowe.
If I may say, a frigging appropriate movement. Made in Germany!!!!!
I believe reading that Laco sources the more expensive (with the special Laco lugs) cases from Germany.
If the dial is also made in Germany, This will be a very much "Made in Germany" watch.
And we can boast that it has an Inhouse movement!!!
BTW, Uwe, count me in for this Project, (if we do not go larger than 45mm)
Valgrange is out. DuRoWe is in.
46 or 47 - Laco make cases 38, 42, 45 and 55mm.
BTW, I forgot one thing: Not sure if I am not breaching the copyright of Knirim me copying his pictures?
Wonder if one of our German members can contact Mr Knirim and ask if that is OK?also, if we decide to go with a Military Dial, if we are allowed to use his book for reference?
(Maybe we could have 51 watches made. No 51/51 given for free to Mr Knirim as a Thank You, and we all split the cost? ?
I would like to have the same number as the WUS LE Laco, the lower one (3/50?? Need to check) om my twoo.
If I may say, a frigging appropriate movement. Made in Germany!!!!!
I believe reading that Laco sources the more expensive (with the special Laco lugs) cases from Germany.
If the dial is also made in Germany, This will be a very much "Made in Germany" watch.
And we can boast that it has an Inhouse movement!!!
BTW, Uwe, count me in for this Project, (if we do not go larger than 45mm)
Valgrange is out. DuRoWe is in.
46 or 47 - Laco make cases 38, 42, 45 and 55mm.
BTW, I forgot one thing: Not sure if I am not breaching the copyright of Knirim me copying his pictures?
Wonder if one of our German members can contact Mr Knirim and ask if that is OK?also, if we decide to go with a Military Dial, if we are allowed to use his book for reference?
(Maybe we could have 51 watches made. No 51/51 given for free to Mr Knirim as a Thank You, and we all split the cost? ?
I would like to have the same number as the WUS LE Laco, the lower one (3/50?? Need to check) om my twoo.
I interpret the wish for a "Pilots" watch as a wish for a dial with aMilitary connection. The guys wishing a Pilots dial (in fact the B-uhr dial) have already a huge selection to choose from.
As I wrote on a earlier post, we have dial designs stretching all the way to the late 1800.
I saw an interesting dial (again, source Knirim) belonging to a WW2 Submarine stopwatch.
Yes, it would be very challenging converting this dial to a 3 hand configuration.
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Several pre-WW2 design are only suitable with the Laco Marine case
Some would look good with the B-uhr case.
Re W-SS: always a possibility to use a similar looking text. W-Laco ? W-ZZ etc Or even W-SS where the S is writen as a normal S and not the flash bolt, sharp curvature S.
Do not forget that SS used the skull etc. The W-SS is a more unusual one.
As I wrote on a earlier post, we have dial designs stretching all the way to the late 1800.
I saw an interesting dial (again, source Knirim) belonging to a WW2 Submarine stopwatch.
Yes, it would be very challenging converting this dial to a 3 hand configuration.
Several pre-WW2 design are only suitable with the Laco Marine case
Some would look good with the B-uhr case.
Re W-SS: always a possibility to use a similar looking text. W-Laco ? W-ZZ etc Or even W-SS where the S is writen as a normal S and not the flash bolt, sharp curvature S.
Do not forget that SS used the skull etc. The W-SS is a more unusual one.
Thanks for the info, I should have seen that on the Laco site.... That Lange is nice..
Steinhart missed bits...
W-US - GOOD IDEA!! Maybe the S could be of the Lightning flash type?
The normal S looks like coming from US (United States)
It may be a bit extreme, but we could lose the Seconds hand.
Very super-hardcore - extreme, and even lost the Minute hand.....
The Date funtion? Will clutter up the dial, depends on the colour of it. White background, black numbers?
As it is from the early 70's it is possibly Yellowed with age.
Interesting to see how it looks like when Uwe gets more info and pics!
I would not worry much about the Runic S. Sweden/Scandinavia has many Viking age monoliths with Runic Engravings....
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Very super-hardcore - extreme, and even lost the Minute hand.....
The Date funtion? Will clutter up the dial, depends on the colour of it. White background, black numbers?
As it is from the early 70's it is possibly Yellowed with age.
Interesting to see how it looks like when Uwe gets more info and pics!
I would not worry much about the Runic S. Sweden/Scandinavia has many Viking age monoliths with Runic Engravings....
That W-SS watch was an Artillery tool.
The watch was meant to be placed in some kind of sightning device, so it could be read as a reflection.
That is the explanation I read some years ago.
Off Topic History lesson:
Yes, the vast numbers of SS soldiers were in fact ordinary (but elite) military guys, not the murderers they are remembered as today. That branch of SS was called Waffen SS (Weapon SS). In battle they were placed under the command of the normal Armed Forces leadership.
The murderes were a very, very small group. THey belonged to so called Einzats gruppen SS, which were a separate, paramilitary part of the SS organisation, under own command. They did not do any military work, or receive much military training. They were selected and indoctrinated, to be brutal, brainless murderes.
If you were a Frenchman, Swede, Czech, Estonian, Latvian, Bielorussian or any other nationalites (incl some British and US!), you could only enroll in the SS if you wanted to fight with the Germans against the Soviet Communists. More than half (60-70%) of the soldiers of W-SS were foreigners.
Only from Sweden, there were a couple of thousand volunteers.
Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe etc were only for Germans or men with proven German ancestry
SS had infantery, some aircraft, artillery, tanks, grenadier, paraschute units, hospitals, transport units etc. They were trained to an Elite standard, and sometimes used as "disposable" units on the worst sectors.
if a W-SS soldier was taken as a POW, they were treated as normal soldiers. After the war, the surviving Swedish members were seen by most people (non communists) as good guys, heroes, for themfighting the Soviets.
Many Swedes joined the Finnish Army, to fight the Soviets in the Finnish - Soviet wars.
If a member of the Einsats gruppen was cought, well, he received a bullet, if he was lucky.
I am just trying to explain some facts, that more or less are forgotten, and explain why I have nothing against the W-SS insignia.
The watch was meant to be placed in some kind of sightning device, so it could be read as a reflection.
That is the explanation I read some years ago.
Off Topic History lesson:
Yes, the vast numbers of SS soldiers were in fact ordinary (but elite) military guys, not the murderers they are remembered as today. That branch of SS was called Waffen SS (Weapon SS). In battle they were placed under the command of the normal Armed Forces leadership.
The murderes were a very, very small group. THey belonged to so called Einzats gruppen SS, which were a separate, paramilitary part of the SS organisation, under own command. They did not do any military work, or receive much military training. They were selected and indoctrinated, to be brutal, brainless murderes.
If you were a Frenchman, Swede, Czech, Estonian, Latvian, Bielorussian or any other nationalites (incl some British and US!), you could only enroll in the SS if you wanted to fight with the Germans against the Soviet Communists. More than half (60-70%) of the soldiers of W-SS were foreigners.
Only from Sweden, there were a couple of thousand volunteers.
Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe etc were only for Germans or men with proven German ancestry
SS had infantery, some aircraft, artillery, tanks, grenadier, paraschute units, hospitals, transport units etc. They were trained to an Elite standard, and sometimes used as "disposable" units on the worst sectors.
if a W-SS soldier was taken as a POW, they were treated as normal soldiers. After the war, the surviving Swedish members were seen by most people (non communists) as good guys, heroes, for themfighting the Soviets.
Many Swedes joined the Finnish Army, to fight the Soviets in the Finnish - Soviet wars.
If a member of the Einsats gruppen was cought, well, he received a bullet, if he was lucky.
I am just trying to explain some facts, that more or less are forgotten, and explain why I have nothing against the W-SS insignia.
In every research of history, it is important to be objective.
artrocities were done by both sides, every Army. When a group of mentally exhausted soldiers are cornered, they do what they never would have done under "normal" circumstanses.
I am going to stop here, as I do not want to start fighting anmd arguing about a (sad) time in the History of the world.
Tonight, I will send you a PM and explain a little bit more, with some info I gained from "the horses mouth".
Nuremberg trials? The normal SS soldiers were (after the war) after another trial "reinstated" (lack proper English word.
As said, I will send you later a PM. But you have to be open minded and neutral in your thinking. OK?
If anybody else wat the same PM's, I will cc you.
Just to note, I have been a student of European history with extra deep studies of the period 1900-1945 for almost 40 years.
artrocities were done by both sides, every Army. When a group of mentally exhausted soldiers are cornered, they do what they never would have done under "normal" circumstanses.
I am going to stop here, as I do not want to start fighting anmd arguing about a (sad) time in the History of the world.
Tonight, I will send you a PM and explain a little bit more, with some info I gained from "the horses mouth".
Nuremberg trials? The normal SS soldiers were (after the war) after another trial "reinstated" (lack proper English word.
As said, I will send you later a PM. But you have to be open minded and neutral in your thinking. OK?
If anybody else wat the same PM's, I will cc you.
Just to note, I have been a student of European history with extra deep studies of the period 1900-1945 for almost 40 years.
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