[Piccolo8]

Re: Marine B-Uhr Theme

No, I didn't have any idea that it was a fake, but would love to hear your reasoning for this conclusion. It's a photograph of an actual Laco case - borrowed from Herr Knirim's reference book of German Military Timepieces. I didn't think that his book included fakes - at least he doesn't make any references to having photographed them.

And I don't think posting an image of a historical timepiece is a way of condoning the recreation of 'memorabilia'. I was under the impression that those interested in this project are fascinated by military timepieces and the practical reasons behind their designs, so I posted this particular photograph for historical reference and to illustrate that Laco cases where also used by the KM. It would be nice to be given a little credit - and if not that - at least the benefit of the doubt.

Hi Uwe,

Would you mind if I ask you to post dial photo of this particular watch?
Thank you in advance.

Regarads,

 

[Manolete]

Re: Voting

First off, Uwe, I know that all of us here appreciate your hard work and dedication to this project. So, thank you. Just to add to your burden, I was wondering if you might be able to post these themes with pictures. I've been following each and every post here with interest and yet confess that I don't have an idea what some of these would look like and I've gone back over the thread.

Theme ideas that were most discussed:

• Airforce - Design based on Sun and Wrist Compasses used alongside the original B-Uhr
• B-Uhr - Variation of the current Laco B-Uhr dial (change in colour, design, etc...)
• B-Uhr - Design based on older B-Uhr designs that pre-dated the current Laco designs
• B-Uhr - Design based on the W-SS Artillery (aka sextant) dial
• Civilian - Non-military watch that draws inspiration from one of Laco's classic dial designs
• Historical - Commemorative design based on either a ship, plane, unit or person from history
• Navy - Timer designs that include stopwatches and other measurement instruments
• Navy B-Uhr - An interpretative design that puts a Navy spin on the existing Laco B-Uhr design
• Navy B-Uhr - Design based on vintage Laco and Lange & Söhne naval B-Uhrs

 

[Uwe W.]

Re: Marine B-Uhr Theme

Would you mind if I ask you to post dial photo of this particular watch?

I really wish that I could! There is only a photo of the back of the watch - I suspect because the dial was the same as used by the Luftwaffe. It's from page 261 of Knirim's book and the caption states: "A very unusual Luftwaffe navigation wrist watch of Laco with Kriegsmarine marking, no. H1260." Perhaps these watches were used by the crews of FW200 Condors that were under KM control? Or they just commissioned a run of B-Uhrs to test for their own use?

Then again, it's apparently a 'fake' watch...

 

[Uwe W.]

Re: Voting

Just to add to your burden, I was wondering if you might be able to post these themes with pictures. I've been following each and every post here with interest and yet confess that I don't have an idea what some of these would look like and I've gone back over the thread.

Well, I had intended to have example photos of each for the official voting thread, but don't have anything prepared at the moment. Which aren't you sure of? Maybe my explanation of each theme should be improved upon?

 

[Manolete]

Re: Voting

I guess it's fine. It's just that some of the categories are a bit vague. The Civilian category could literally be anything as could the commemorative. I would also add a category, the 24-hour design that was suggested.

Airforce - Design based on Sun and Wrist Compasses used alongside the original B-Uhr
B-Uhr - Variation of the current Laco B-Uhr dial (change in colour, design, etc...)
B-Uhr - Design based on older B-Uhr designs that pre-dated the current Laco designs
B-Uhr - Design based on the W-SS Artillery (aka sextant) dial
Civilian - Non-military watch that draws inspiration from one of Laco's classic dial designs
Historical - Commemorative design based on either a ship, plane, unit or person from history
Navy - Timer designs that include stopwatches and other measurement instruments
Navy B-Uhr - An interpretative design that puts a Navy spin on the existing Laco B-Uhr design
Navy B-Uhr - Design based on vintage Laco and Lange & Söhne naval B-Uhrs

Well, I had intended to have example photos of each for the official voting thread, but don't have anything prepared at the moment. Which aren't you sure of? Maybe my explanation of each theme should be improved upon?

 

[Janne]

Re: Voting

24h design is not possible, that would need an extensive modification of the movement.

 

[Uwe W.]

Re: Voting

I guess it's fine. It's just that some of the categories are a bit vague. The Civilian category could literally be anything as could the commemorative. I would also add a category, the 24-hour design that was suggested.

The 24 hour design was the Junghans aircraft compass clock, which is part of the sun and wrist compass theme. You're right that categories such as Civilian and Commemorative are vague, but then again, so where the suggestions. Keep in mind, the THEME vote is only really intended to push the project down a specific path. If for example a Commemorative theme was picked, then we could narrow down the options and start coming up with a specific dial design.

 

[Manolete]

Re: Voting

Keep in mind, the THEME vote is only really intended to push the project down a specific path. If for example a Commemorative theme was picked, then we could narrow down the options and start coming up with a specific dial design.

You are correct, of course. Can't wait to get voting.

 

[city-dweller]

Re: Voting

thanks for your efforts, Uwe.

the list looks very reasonable.

 

[Uwe W.]

Voting Categories

Just adding a quick photo of my "earlier version" B-Uhr as an example of the "B-Uhr - Design based on older B-Uhr designs that pre-dated the current Laco designs" category.

 

[JohnF]

Good day gentleman - happy Friday. I was curious about exploring the naval artillery/torpedo dials if the scales were adjusted for regular timekeeping - so I quickly drafted an adjusted rendition of the Junghans dial to offer. Now, I've not taken great pains to 'exactly' translate the dial proportions, but the timing indices are all precise; I've also not been too particular about font selection, colour, or (obviously) even drafting hands at this point. If anyone is curious, adjusting colour, font, scale, or logo/text would be a relatively quick to-do. Looking forward to the vote. Manera.

Nice!

I took the liberty of removing the subsecond dial. The red 60 should be complete, of course, and the red would be classic...

JohnF

 

[Manolete]

Nice!

I took the liberty of removing the subsecond dial. The red 60 should be complete, of course, and the red would be classic...

JohnF

Love the red. Love this design. Really nice. Sterile dial is my preference.

 

[Renisin]

Manolete,

You sound like someone who knows historical rewriting when he hears it! I have never read such rubbish in my life, as what I read in janne's interpretation of historical facts. He does need to study a bit more, and then maybe see the ss for what they really were!

Ren

 

[kubelwagen]

Love the red. Love this design. Really nice. Sterile dial is my preference.

Hope you guys don't mind me jumping in on the edits. +1 on the red as well. Here's a couple of pics. Though I would typically go for a sterile dial, somehow it looks too empty...

 

[Uwe W.]

You sound like someone who knows historical rewriting when he hears it! I have never read such rubbish in my life, as what I read in janne's interpretation of historical facts. He does need to study a bit more, and then maybe see the ss for what they really were!

Hi Ren. Welcome to WUS and the Laco Forum. Please be aware that this thread is for watch theme discussions only please - no politics. I'd be more than happy to exchange PMs with you about historical facts you are obviously unaware of, but this forum is not the place for that discussion. Thanks.

And to Janne: please don't rise to the bait. Let it go.

 

[Janne]

Which bait?

I SEE NOTHING !

(parafrasing the waiter Manuel "from Barcelona" from the british '70's TV comedy series Faulty Towers)

 

[Janne]

Ren, there is a large void in your post.

Which dial do you like of the ones posted?

( I am sure you are interested in this Special Project? I know you prefer Stowa over Laco every time, you have said that, but maybe you feel the need for a Laco now?)

 

[Janne]

Hope you guys don't mind me jumping in on the edits. +1 on the red as well. Here's a couple of pics. Though I would typically go for a sterile dial, somehow it looks too empty...

It looks a little bit empty, because the original had some (lumenous?) pips inside the minute numerals.
Also, your outer scale is very crisp, that makes them look thin.
The pips could be used as the hour markers...
Just a thought.

 

[arkolykos]

i am thinking to make a tradition pilot...........

what do you say......

 

[city-dweller]

It looks a little bit empty, because the original had some (lumenous?) pips inside the minute numerals.

The pips could be used as the hour markers...

yes, these pips are indeed luminescent markers.

(the hand is obviously filled with the same luminescent material.)