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Hi, just got myself a very old 1960's breitling cosmonaute with a venus 178 movement, silver indexes. The dial is ok but i noticed that luminous from the 24 hour numerals have been scraped off(maybe a redial attempt). my question is...is there any way to replace the luminous material on the numbers? or should i just leave it that way? let me know your opinions, tnx!
 

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HI And welcome to the board !

Woudl you happen to have a picture so we can see the dial ?, that makes talking about it a lot easier . Some early 60ies dials were made without lume so it may still be an original dial

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Re-Luming Old Dials

Yes, it is possible to re-lume an old dial, even if many collectors would prefer not to retouch the dial for as long as possible.


Tritium, the material of choice for many years, has been abandoned due to environmental concerns, not to speak of radium compounds that were used even earlier.

Today, the luminous compound is usually made of Luminova and there are specialists who can clean a dial professionally and re-apply the luminous compound.


If you would let us know where you live, one of our members may be able to direct you to one.
 

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Hi, just got myself a very old 1960's breitling cosmonaute with a venus 178 movement, silver indexes. The dial is ok but i noticed that luminous from the 24 hour numerals have been scraped off(maybe a redial attempt). my question is...is there any way to replace the luminous material on the numbers? or should i just leave it that way? let me know your opinions, tnx!

Tnx guys for your advise and comments, I will try to upload a picture of the watch so you guys can give your opinion wether i should re-lume or not or if it's possible to do it.
 

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here are the pics of the cosmo
 

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Hi,
Thanks for posting the images. This poor soul looks like its had a hard time at the hands of a not very sympathetic repairer if that's what you could call him.

I've posted and image from navitimer.net to show you what a good example of a face from the same period could look like with very good restoration or maybe replacement if you could source one. The outer ring has been, well, butchered, so if possible should also be replaced. I don't think redoing the outer ring will bring much reward. As it stands I feel that it should be left as is until the parts can be found. It may take some doing but they are out there. Again thanks for posting.

Last word, the hands could be re coated with lumi but, well, as part of the restoration a new set might just be the go also.
 

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Hi,
Thanks for posting the images. This poor soul looks like its had a hard time at the hands of a not very sympathetic repairer if that's what you could call him.

I've posted and image from navitimer.net to show you what a good example of a face from the same period could look like with very good restoration or maybe replacement if you could source one. The outer ring has been, well, butchered, so if possible should also be replaced. I don't think redoing the outer ring will bring much reward. As it stands I feel that it should be left as is until the parts can be found. It may take some doing but they are out there. Again thanks for posting.

Last word, the hands could be re coated with lumi but, well, as part of the restoration a new set might just be the go also.

Hi, thanks for your suggestions. Do you think i could still find dials for this model of cosmo? I f you know of a source please let me know, tnx!
 

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If you are in the USA contact Mark Heist at www.horologicalservices.com.
They are the best workshop to do this sort of restoration. If in Europe you have more choices but I don't have a specific establishment to recommend so I hope our other members might chip in with suggestions.

Mr Heist has access to parts that are not normally in circulation. They will only supply if they do the work so you should be looking for quote from them. Let us know how you go.
 

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Re: 60's Cosmonaute

Hi, thanks for your suggestions. Do you think i could still find dials for this model of cosmo? I f you know of a source please let me know, tnx!


Mark Heist and his Horological Services would be the best authority in North America.

For the rest of the world, I would recommend Breitling in Switzerland. They have a few watchmakers there who specialize in vintage watches and can overhaul your watch. In all likelihood, they would take care of the dial problem by suggesting a replacement dial. They still have a substantial amount of original parts for these watches and for them finding a replacement dial should not be a problem.

They would overhaul the movement, change hands, change crown and pushers as required and most likely change crystal and dial.

The whole operations will take about 2 months and will cost you around $950. That may sound expensive, but it will breathe new life in a watch that had a hard life and looks like it suffered from some neglect.

While I do not suggest that you could recover all the money spent, it will also increase the resale value of this watch. Prices for vintage watches have seen a steady increase and clean, well kept examples of a 809 are harder to find.

But most of all, you will have a nice clean vintage watch that has been properly serviced and you can rest assured that it will give you many more years of faithful service.
 

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Re: 60's Cosmonaute

Mark Heist and his Horological Services would be the best authority in North America.

For the rest of the world, I would recommend Breitling in Switzerland. They have a few watchmakers there who specialize in vintage watches and can overhaul your watch. In all likelihood, they would take care of the dial problem by suggesting a replacement dial. They still have a substantial amount of original parts for these watches and for them finding a replacement dial should not be a problem.

They would overhaul the movement, change hands, change crown and pushers as required and most likely change crystal and dial.

The whole operations will take about 2 months and will cost you around $950. That may sound expensive, but it will breathe new life in a watch that had a hard life and looks like it suffered from some neglect.

While I do not suggest that you could recover all the money spent, it will also increase the resale value of this watch. Prices for vintage watches have seen a steady increase and clean, well kept examples of a 809 are harder to find.

But most of all, you will have a nice clean vintage watch that has been properly serviced and you can rest assured that it will give you many more years of faithful service.

ok, tnx for the help.
 
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