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Fortis has made a complete mess out of the ref. numbers and the actual numbers you will find on the case back of a watch. Hope I do not make a complete mess when trying to explain it.;-)

Ref. numbers:

The ref. numbers of Fortis watches are the catalog numbers, and these should also be written on the warranty card in the field "Ref. no." - at least that's what Fortis asks the ADs to do. The ref. no. consists of 3 number groups, MMM.NN.OO

Where:
MMM is the basic watch type / model
NN is the case / case finish code
OO is for dial / hand variants

These are followed by a suffix, e.g. "M" for bracelet or "L.01" for "Leather strap, black", "K" for "Caoutchouc strap" or "Si.02" for "Silicone strap, white". Combining the numbers with the suffix one has the complete ref. no. (catalog no.).

Some more details bout the case / case finish code NN:
Flieger / Pilot Pro: 11 or 22 for "steel, brushed finish", 10 for "steel, blasted finish" and 18 for "steel, black PVD", 50 is "Gold, blasted, 70 is "Platinum, blasted" (yes - this exists).

On the Cosmonauts the 22 stands for "steel, blasted" and 10 for "steel, brushed", 14 is "steel, brushed, with diamond encrusted bezel", 50 is "Gold, blasted", 70 is "Platinum, blasted".

On the Spacematic and B-42 the case / case finish code 22 always stands for "steel, blasted finish" and 10 stands for "steel, brushed finish". 27 is for "Titanium, blasted finish". Additionally the B-42 cases with the code 22 do have different lugs than the cases with the case code 10 - so the bracelet end links are not interchangeable (but who wants to put a blasted bracelet onto a brushed case anyway?).

Case back numbers:

Depending on the model or series you will find one or two sets of numbers on the case back. One set is the (by Fortis terminology) "case back number" and the other is the "case number" (= serial number). The catalog number (ref. no.) is never printed onto the case back.o|

First: the "case back number", this looks like: MMM.NN.AAA(.B).
The groups MMM.NN are identical to the ref. no. but AAA(.B) is the actual production year and model revision code. Unfortunately Fortis does not disclose what information is all stored in these numbers, sometimes one finds only 3 digits AAA - in other cases the additional .B is found.
Fortis recommends to use this case back number to order spare bracelet end links or the lug screws for the bracelet (these have changed over the years, from screws on both sides holding a tube on early B-42 to a one screw / one bolt set on current models - the newer screw/bolt sets do not fit into early B-42 lugs).o|

Example of these numbers: My B-42 Pilot Pro Chrono GMT has the ref. no. 637.22.11L.01 - but on the case back one finds the number 637.22.172.2 and not the actual ref. number.

Second: The 4-digit "case number" or serial number can only be found on the following watches:
Cosmonauts Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Flieger Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Pilot Pro Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Spacematic Chrono / Chrono Alarm
The other "small" Fortis do not have individually numbered cases, with the exception of limited editions.

All B-42 watches do have individually numbered cases.

Limited editions do normally not have the standard 4-digit "case number", but carry the LE number XXX/YYY.


:thanksThanks for reading this rant.

Cheers,

Markus
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Hi

Great that someone can enlighten us when FORTIS can't manage to do their job themselves.

the Kit

Fortis has made a complete mess out of the ref. numbers and the actual numbers you will find on the case back of a watch. Hope I do not make a complete mess when trying to explain it.;-)

Ref. numbers:

The ref. numbers of Fortis watches are the catalog numbers, and these should also be written on the warranty card in the field "Ref. no." - at least that's what Fortis asks the ADs to do. The ref. no. consists of 3 number groups, MMM.NN.OO

Where:
MMM is the basic watch type / model
NN is the case / case finish code
OO is for dial / hand variants

These are followed by a suffix, e.g. "M" for bracelet or "L.01" for "Leather strap, black", "K" for "Caoutchouc strap" or "Si.02" for "Silicone strap, white". Combining the numbers with the suffix one has the complete ref. no. (catalog no.).

Some more details bout the case / case finish code NN:
Flieger / Pilot Pro: 11 or 22 for "steel, brushed finish", 10 for "steel, blasted finish" and 18 for "steel, black PVD", 50 is "Gold, blasted, 70 is "Platinum, blasted" (yes - this exists).

On the Cosmonauts the 22 stands for "steel, blasted" and 10 for "steel, brushed", 14 is "steel, brushed, with diamond encrusted bezel", 50 is "Gold, blasted", 70 is "Platinum, blasted".

On the Spacematic and B-42 the case / case finish code 22 always stands for "steel, blasted finish" and 10 stands for "steel, brushed finish". 27 is for "Titanium, blasted finish". Additionally the B-42 cases with the code 22 do have different lugs than the cases with the case code 10 - so the bracelet end links are not interchangeable (but who wants to put a blasted bracelet onto a brushed case anyway?).

Case back numbers:

Depending on the model or series you will find one or two sets of numbers on the case back. One set is the (by Fortis terminology) "case back number" and the other is the "case number" (= serial number). The catalog number (ref. no.) is never printed onto the case back.o|

First: the "case back number", this looks like: MMM.NN.AAA(.B).
The groups MMM.NN are identical to the ref. no. but AAA(.B) is the actual production year and model revision code. Unfortunately Fortis does not disclose what information is all stored in these numbers, sometimes one finds only 3 digits AAA - in other cases the additional .B is found.
Fortis recommends to use this case back number to order spare bracelet end links or the lug screws for the bracelet (these have changed over the years, from screws on both sides holding a tube on early B-42 to a one screw / one bolt set on current models - the newer screw/bolt sets do not fit into early B-42 lugs).o|

Example of these numbers: My B-42 Pilot Pro Chrono GMT has the ref. no. 637.22.11L.01 - but on the case back one finds the number 637.22.172.2 and not the actual ref. number.

Second: The 4-digit "case number" or serial number can only be found on the following watches:
Cosmonauts Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Flieger Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Pilot Pro Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Spacematic Chrono / Chrono Alarm
The other "small" Fortis do not have individually numbered cases, with the exception of limited editions.

All B-42 watches do have individually numbered cases.

Limited editions do normally not have the standard 4-digit "case number", but carry the LE number XXX/YYY.


:thanksThanks for reading this rant.

Cheers,

Markus
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Second: The 4-digit "case number" or serial number can only be found on the following watches:
Cosmonauts Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Flieger Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Pilot Pro Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Spacematic Chrono / Chrono Alarm
The other "small" Fortis do not have individually numbered cases, with the exception of limited editions.


:thanksThanks for reading this rant.

Cheers,

Markus
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Great job Markus.
I just want to add that my OfficialCosmonauts Automatic has a 4-digit "case number" or serial number.


regards

Dimitris
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Second: The 4-digit "case number" or serial number can only be found on the following watches:
Cosmonauts Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Flieger Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Pilot Pro Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Spacematic Chrono / Chrono Alarm
The other "small" Fortis do not have individually numbered cases, with the exception of limited editions.


:thanksThanks for reading this rant.

Cheers,

Markus
Great job Markus.
I just want to add that my OfficialCosmonauts Automatic has a 4-digit "case number" or serial number.


regards

Dimitris
Thanks, I stand corrected, mistake came from writing at 3AM.

The Cosmonauts series is completely individually numbered, case numbers can be found on all of these.

With a little input from cornflakes we get a bit more light into the third group of the case back number, in my OP named AAA. It appears that this number also contains a movement encoding, at least for the chronographs. All L5100 powered watches apparently do have "142" at this place, I have checked all the 7750 powered watches I could get a hand on, they all have "141" in this place.
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Hi,

thanks for the great line of information. It shows that if we get our heads together we might be able to help Fortis out when they email Watchuseek for details on their own watches!

I sent an email to Fortis Customer relations in Germany about not being able to get ANY production details for my FOCC, the slow or no response to emails, the many owner's frustration ect.

So far there's been no reply and I'm not sure if I'm really expecting any!:-s

All I can say is thet it's lucky they make great watches cos they would probably be out of business without their fans! (I wonder if they get help from the Swiss government to stay in business?).

I am still looking for a box and 'book' for my FOCC, the AD in Denmark told me that Fortis is on vacation until August 6th.

I'll let you know if I hear from them,

cheers,

-Flightpath
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OK, I am confused. I ordered a b-42 from Jomashop not knowing they were Gray market till afterward. I am confused about my watch. I have the B-42 Cosmonaut Automatic three hand as pictured below. (the image of the back of the watch is after I've switched bands)
My question is when I Google the ref number 647.10.158.3 it shows me the Marine Master not this watch (on the leather band as I bought it). Is this correct back to this watch?

By the way, what does the number 7084 on the back mean?

Thanks for your help.
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Fortis has made a complete mess out of the ref. numbers and the actual numbers you will find on the case back of a watch. Hope I do not make a complete mess when trying to explain it.;-)

Ref. numbers:

The ref. numbers of Fortis watches are the catalog numbers, and these should also be written on the warranty card in the field "Ref. no." - at least that's what Fortis asks the ADs to do. The ref. no. consists of 3 number groups, MMM.NN.OO

Where:
MMM is the basic watch type / model
NN is the case / case finish code
OO is for dial / hand variants

These are followed by a suffix, e.g. "M" for bracelet or "L.01" for "Leather strap, black", "K" for "Caoutchouc strap" or "Si.02" for "Silicone strap, white". Combining the numbers with the suffix one has the complete ref. no. (catalog no.).

Some more details bout the case / case finish code NN:
Flieger / Pilot Pro: 11 or 22 for "steel, brushed finish", 10 for "steel, blasted finish" and 18 for "steel, black PVD", 50 is "Gold, blasted, 70 is "Platinum, blasted" (yes - this exists).

On the Cosmonauts the 22 stands for "steel, blasted" and 10 for "steel, brushed", 14 is "steel, brushed, with diamond encrusted bezel", 50 is "Gold, blasted", 70 is "Platinum, blasted".

On the Spacematic and B-42 the case / case finish code 22 always stands for "steel, blasted finish" and 10 stands for "steel, brushed finish". 27 is for "Titanium, blasted finish". Additionally the B-42 cases with the code 22 do have different lugs than the cases with the case code 10 - so the bracelet end links are not interchangeable (but who wants to put a blasted bracelet onto a brushed case anyway?).

Case back numbers:

Depending on the model or series you will find one or two sets of numbers on the case back. One set is the (by Fortis terminology) "case back number" and the other is the "case number" (= serial number). The catalog number (ref. no.) is never printed onto the case back.o|

First: the "case back number", this looks like: MMM.NN.AAA(.B).
The groups MMM.NN are identical to the ref. no. but AAA(.B) is the actual production year and model revision code. Unfortunately Fortis does not disclose what information is all stored in these numbers, sometimes one finds only 3 digits AAA - in other cases the additional .B is found.
Fortis recommends to use this case back number to order spare bracelet end links or the lug screws for the bracelet (these have changed over the years, from screws on both sides holding a tube on early B-42 to a one screw / one bolt set on current models - the newer screw/bolt sets do not fit into early B-42 lugs).o|

Example of these numbers: My B-42 Pilot Pro Chrono GMT has the ref. no. 637.22.11L.01 - but on the case back one finds the number 637.22.172.2 and not the actual ref. number.

Second: The 4-digit "case number" or serial number can only be found on the following watches:
Cosmonauts Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Flieger Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Pilot Pro Chrono / Chrono Alarm
Spacematic Chrono / Chrono Alarm
The other "small" Fortis do not have individually numbered cases, with the exception of limited editions.

All B-42 watches do have individually numbered cases.

Limited editions do normally not have the standard 4-digit "case number", but carry the LE number XXX/YYY.


:thanksThanks for reading this rant.

Cheers,


Markus
This is great! Thanks so much. This explanation tallies with my Cosmonaut B42 GMT.
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