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The thing I'd really like to see is slightly smaller mid row and bigger top and bottom rows - I mean font size in activity display (3 rows display).


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Nice to still see you around; I think things will look differently this time: People are waiting for the next watch, eagerly, and the app for it is already out and being worked on more...
Hi Gerald,
maybe I am too old for the accelerated modern time gadgets ;)
Even today I'm often thinking about my Psion 5mx pro palmtop or better: Remembering its perfect agenda - much better than the one of Windows CE's and even than the calender of the Palm's and its derivates ... but it's over :( ...today I try to accept the similar app on my iPhone ... of course with bright colors and a sharpness that's impressive ... but not as reliable as the Psion's :(
Same is with the modern sport watches: That's my main reason I still wearing my t6-models from time to time. And maybe Suunto will remembering the good old days and will offer (in future) a second possibility of sportwatches ... but at the moment I am happy with the Polar V800 and(!) my fenix3. Good luck to you.
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First, The Ambit3 Peak has a large memory buffer. At 60s GPS fix and 10s recording for Altitude and no HR 398h of data can be stored! That is 33 consecutive 12h days. If you need better GPS fixes, at Good you get 222h of recording with no HR or 18.5 days of 12h days. Seriously, I cannot understand why you need more than that! HR recording takes up a lot of log memory because of HRV recording. On long trips, HR is something I do not record. I have recorded 40h of continuos 1s GPS fix with HR and no data loss, which is the spec for the watch. I did that during a race. Honestly, not sure I would want to go a whole lot longer than that.

The second issue, recording weight in Movescount, just open up the website (on any device) and record your weight. Frankly, again, I don't see what is so hard about that? Alternatively, change the weight in the watch and it will sync back to the website and update. Why is this a problem to complain about.

There are certainly issues I would like to see corrected and changed but the ones you mention just don't seem a problem IMHO.

Memory is cheap! Why do I have to bother with changing the recording rate or not recording HR? I want all the accuracy I can get. I'm still on Ambit 1 and it has less than 20h worth of recording space.

As for the second issue, sure, you can change your weight in Movescount or the watch, but it's only used for calculations and isn't actually recorded anywhere. So if I want to remember the weight on a particular day, I have to put a tag in it, but can't display any graphs or trends.
 

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A sporadic HR belt- is most likely the problem of the belt, not the watch. Sometimes the belt (not the clip in electronics box) just needs to be replaced. they don't last long. < 1yr generally. (except those early hard plastic garmin belts. they're tanks). Or- a problem with static. you can use conductive gel (like Spectra 360) and/or spray your tech shirt with Static Guard before your runs. some things to try.

Maybe you could educate me on the subject of the HR belt.

I've had my HR belt for 2-3 years now, but I didn't use it for 18 months now because it didn't work properly. I estimate that it has "suffered" through about 80-120 tops hours of wear. The elastic and the plastic on the captors are in perfect condition. What do you say should last less than 1 year ?
 

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"Memory is cheap" ... Well, not necessarily as cheap as you might think when you're talking dedicated controllers rather than run-of-the-mill HDDs, SD card chips, etc.

Also, the idea was that a person nowadays would bring their phone and thus be able to sync there. Much more memory on that. (But another pointer to how the specialist crowd may be underrated in the planning in favor of more mass-market appeal...)

Weight recording and the like: With the critics on that. Amer Sports wants to go full-swing digitalization, but seems to overlook that digital services are better connected between devices, platforms, makers. UnderArmour is doing well on that front (with its Record app which pulls data from anywhere and tries to also sell you on UA's devices - except I hadn't been able to find some of the data it pulls in, so bye-bye to that...)

(Little point of contention: As much as Suunto / Amer Sports has built up its digital services / apps team, imagine how they'd be doing if they didn't just have to work on making their own devices work with their own app. Let's get to stable BTLE connection and notifications first.)

HR belt: It seems to degrade over time anyways when it comes to how well it can read out HR, no matter what you do with it. If you use e.g. Firstbeat's Athlete software, that gives you an "error percentage" for the HR data, and one can see how a) the HR belt being wet enough (but not soaked) makes a difference during single exercises and b) it degrades over time. The sensor is good for years, but the elastic and pads should be replaced annually, at least.

And I just noticed I so missed a chance to drive insane traffic to my blog by announcing the first look at the Suunto Ambit 4.1. ... April 1 ;)
 

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"Memory is cheap" ... Well, not necessarily as cheap as you might think when you're talking dedicated controllers rather than run-of-the-mill HDDs, SD card chips, etc.

Also, the idea was that a person nowadays would bring their phone and thus be able to sync there. Much more memory on that. (But another pointer to how the specialist crowd may be underrated in the planning in favor of more mass-market appeal...)
Well, Tomtom Spark has 3GB of space and costs half of an Ambit3, so it can be done.
As far as syncing with a phone goes, Suunto doesn't work with Android very well. There's always some luck or voodoo involved. Plus sometimes you don't have cell coverage or have high roaming costs. And although it's supposed to work without cell coverage, usually it doesn't.
 

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It all looks like Suunto missed the wearble train. Polar too. They were uniquley positioned to grab billions of people by their wrists, could easily come up with fitbits etc. With selling by huge numbers comes the ability to push the prices of memory down, like Apple does, and probably Garmin. And it's shocking that Amer Sports, gigantic congolmerate missed that opportunity too, letting the others take the reins. So sad to see it, especially when one remembers Polar and to the larger extent Suunto as the premium innovator of our little wrist fetish.
 

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The second issue, recording weight in Movescount, just open up the website (on any device) and record your weight. Frankly, again, I don't see what is so hard about that? Alternatively, change the weight in the watch and it will sync back to the website and update. Why is this a problem to complain about.
Well, most of gadgets are marketed by solving problems we never knew we had :)
But for me personally a watch and/or service with support for connected scales would be something I'd consider on my next purchase.
And not because Garmin does it, mostly because not able to keep and track my health data in one place without too much manual interaction is kind of ... yesterday.
 

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The second issue, recording weight in Movescount, just open up the website (on any device) and record your weight. Frankly, again, I don't see what is so hard about that? Alternatively, change the weight in the watch and it will sync back to the website and update. Why is this a problem to complain about.
Well, most of gadgets are marketed by solving problems we never knew we had :)
But for me personally a watch and/or service with support for connected scales would be something I'd consider on my next purchase.
And not because Garmin does it, mostly because not able to keep and track my health data in one place without too much manual interaction is kind of ... yesterday.
Get a sporttracks.mobi subscription. Automatically imports from Movescount and Garmin Connect as well as compatibility with Withings wifi scales. All the data you'd ever need.
 

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"Memory is cheap" ... Well, not necessarily as cheap as you might think when you're talking dedicated controllers rather than run-of-the-mill HDDs, SD card chips, etc.
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Memory is cheap now. The android Sony smart watch 3 has GPS and 8gb of space for $100. While a cool watch its not on the level of the A3 by any means. My point though is that memory is cheap.
 

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Memory is cheap! Why do I have to bother with changing the recording rate or not recording HR? I want all the accuracy I can get. I'm still on Ambit 1 and it has less than 20h worth of recording space.

As for the second issue, sure, you can change your weight in Movescount or the watch, but it's only used for calculations and isn't actually recorded anywhere. So if I want to remember the weight on a particular day, I have to put a tag in it, but can't display any graphs or trends.
Actually, the weight is recorded in your profile on Movescount so your statement is incorrect. If what you mean is a graphical representation of weight over time Movescount does not provide that.
 

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Maybe you could educate me on the subject of the HR belt.

I've had my HR belt for 2-3 years now, but I didn't use it for 18 months now because it didn't work properly. I estimate that it has "suffered" through about 80-120 tops hours of wear. The elastic and the plastic on the captors are in perfect condition. What do you say should last less than 1 year ?
I have no idea why this is but I have found the same thing, 3 years now. I think maybe this belt is a lighter weight than the old Polar/Garmin belts and just loses its ability to conduct sooner

Usually it takes about 10-11 months or so if I wear it 4-5 times a week.

I am OK with that because 1 -- (again) it's just the belt, not the sensor, so $20-30, and 2 -- I came to the Peak after years of struggling with Garmin and THEIR lousy HR belt.

One new belt a year, I can live with
 

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Well it is time for Suunto to show us something new and fast. Because their product are outdated.

We need watch that has memory for least 10 days, we are in 2016 not 2006 now.
Battery must last 3 days in GPS mode.
Color screen, AMOLED or something, this is not obligatory, but you know we are in 2016 it is standard now.
Better and prettier design, bigger screen.
And application for android and ios that works without problems.

That are bare minimums for this days, and if Suunto cant do that he is out of the game in few years.
 

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Actually, the weight is recorded in your profile on Movescount so your statement is incorrect. If what you mean is a graphical representation of weight over time Movescount does not provide that.

Exactly. It only stores the current weight and there is no way you can check what it was in the past.
 

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Get a sporttracks.mobi subscription. Automatically imports from Movescount and Garmin Connect as well as compatibility with Withings wifi scales. All the data you'd ever need.
I understand it was a response to "manual interaction" part, but it's not quite the point I tried to make - with all those connected gadgets one is not just buying hardware, rather a whole user experience and everything from support,
frontend/backend features, completeness, usability, reliability and what not. If some hackery is made possible, cool - someone actually cares enough to invest some time and skills, it does not even matter much if it's for profit or something else.
Still builds stronger user community, but it matters for only a fraction of users. If there is proper data access for users and 3rd party tools and services (open API) - even better, a lot better.
And if a device (watch in this case) can play well with others (be it BTLE scale, external temperature sensor, ...) an web-service can adapt with extra data, I'd be quite thrilled - e.g keeping track of body water % over time and logging *real* temperature changes on those ski tours... nice :) And no, it's not a place for someone to tell to strap my watch to my pack :p
Besides, be careful with that "All the data you'd ever need" phrase among stat geeks, I actually had a really hard time past few hours *not* to spend those hours just to prove opposite. Umm.. wait.. B]

BTW, sporttracks is quite an interesting case as they are still not listed as supported 3rd party service by Suunto and last time I checked, they used app-key assigned for Moveslink2. I'd rather see Suunto / Movescount to take more Strava-like and open approach when it comes to accessing end user data.

Just a side note - I'm still happy with my Ambit1, as of today it has logged 923 hours of activities and I'm on my 1st HR POD / 2nd HR belt, in my case cleaning and slightly bending metal contacts on both POD and belt helps a lot if there are issues with picking up HR from clean and moist belt.
 

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Get a sporttracks.mobi subscription. Automatically imports from Movescount and Garmin Connect as well as compatibility with Withings wifi scales. All the data you'd ever need.
I understand it was a response to "manual interaction" part, but it's not quite the point I tried to make - with all those connected gadgets one is not just buying hardware, rather a whole user experience and everything from support,
frontend/backend features, completeness, usability, reliability and what not. If some hackery is made possible, cool - someone actually cares enough to invest some time and skills, it does not even matter much if it's for profit or something else.
Still builds stronger user community, but it matters for only a fraction of users. If there is proper data access for users and 3rd party tools and services (open API) - even better, a lot better.
And if a device (watch in this case) can play well with others (be it BTLE scale, external temperature sensor, ...) an web-service can adapt with extra data, I'd be quite thrilled - e.g keeping track of body water % over time and logging *real* temperature changes on those ski tours... nice :) And no, it's not a place for someone to tell to strap my watch to my pack :p
Besides, be careful with that "All the data you'd ever need" phrase among stat geeks, I actually had a really hard time past few hours *not* to spend those hours just to prove opposite. Umm.. wait.. B]

BTW, sporttracks is quite an interesting case as they are still not listed as supported 3rd party service by Suunto and last time I checked, they used app-key assigned for Moveslink2. I'd rather see Suunto / Movescount to take more Strava-like and open approach when it comes to accessing end user data.

Just a side note - I'm still happy with my Ambit1, as of today it has logged 923 hours of activities and I'm on my 1st HR POD / 2nd HR belt, in my case cleaning and slightly bending metal contacts on both POD and belt helps a lot if there are issues with picking up HR from clean and moist belt.
I actually agree with your original point. I'd like to see Suunto really expand their offering. I was just providing a solution in case you didn't know about it. It's something I am currently doing because like you I wish it could all be found in one place. Cheers.
 

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Well it is time for Suunto to show us something new and fast. Because their product are outdated.

We need watch that has memory for least 10 days, we are in 2016 not 2006 now.
Battery must last 3 days in GPS mode.
Color screen, AMOLED or something, this is not obligatory, but you know we are in 2016 it is standard now.
Better and prettier design, bigger screen.
And application for android and ios that works without problems.

That are bare minimums for this days, and if Suunto cant do that he is out of the game in few years.
Apple, who has much more in the way of resources than Suunto cannot do what you want.....Their watch that interacts well with the iPhone has about a 30h battery life according to DCRainmaker. The Ambit3 Peak has a memory that will last for 33 12h days as I stated before, far more than 10d. The memory hog is HRV and quite frankly recording HR for long events isn't really all that useful from a training point of view. The battery with a 5 sec GPS fix goes 30h, I think it will be hard to do much more with the battery life as battery technology has not advanced to the point you desire. With a 60s GPS fix the battery will last 200h, far more than the 3d you request in GPS mode. Why a color screen? I want higher resolution, I don't really care about color. Have you even read any of the specs or know anything about the watch? Have you used iOS, because mine works perfectly. I admit, sounds like Android is an issue.

Anyway Suunto has typically made devices for athletes, that has been their target NOT the fitbit crowd. Anyone who wants to measure their daily steps is typically not the market Suunto has aimed at. Whether that is a good idea or not is certainly debatable but I have used a lot of Suunto and Garmin devices as well as some others. Suunto has devices that work and are typically very good for athletes, especially those that train and participate in events. When I look back at my T6 and remember how revolutionary that watch was, I marvel at the technology in the Ambit series and the fenix. Amazing that all that is on my wrist and I can wear it and it works.

So far with the myriad of Suunto devices I have owned I have logged 3219h for 12,975 miles and 2,262,112 feet of ascent where 1855h, 6757 miles and 1,155,296 feet ascent have been on Ambit models. I have NEVER lost a single move using an Ambit. I would say that is damn good. I'll be back for a new Suunto and I don't think they will be out of the game in a few years. Just my 2 cents worth.
 

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Well it is time for Suunto to show us something new and fast. Because their product are outdated.

We need watch that has memory for least 10 days, we are in 2016 not 2006 now.
Battery must last 3 days in GPS mode.
Color screen, AMOLED or something, this is not obligatory, but you know we are in 2016 it is standard now.
Better and prettier design, bigger screen.
And application for android and ios that works without problems.

That are bare minimums for this days, and if Suunto cant do that he is out of the game in few years.
Apple, who has much more in the way of resources than Suunto cannot do what you want.....Their watch that interacts well with the iPhone has about a 30h battery life according to DCRainmaker. The Ambit3 Peak has a memory that will last for 33 12h days as I stated before, far more than 10d. The memory hog is HRV and quite frankly recording HR for long events isn't really all that useful from a training point of view. The battery with a 5 sec GPS fix goes 30h, I think it will be hard to do much more with the battery life as battery technology has not advanced to the point you desire. With a 60s GPS fix the battery will last 200h, far more than the 3d you request in GPS mode. Why a color screen? I want higher resolution, I don't really care about color. Have you even read any of the specs or know anything about the watch? Have you used iOS, because mine works perfectly. I admit, sounds like Android is an issue.

Anyway Suunto has typically made devices for athletes, that has been their target NOT the fitbit crowd. Anyone who wants to measure their daily steps is typically not the market Suunto has aimed at. Whether that is a good idea or not is certainly debatable but I have used a lot of Suunto and Garmin devices as well as some others. Suunto has devices that work and are typically very good for athletes, especially those that train and participate in events. When I look back at my T6 and remember how revolutionary that watch was, I marvel at the technology in the Ambit series and the fenix. Amazing that all that is on my wrist and I can wear it and it works.

So far with the myriad of Suunto devices I have owned I have logged 3219h for 12,975 miles and 2,262,112 feet of ascent where 1855h, 6757 miles and 1,155,296 feet ascent have been on Ambit models. I have NEVER lost a single move using an Ambit. I would say that is damn good. I'll be back for a new Suunto and I don't think they will be out of the game in a few years. Just my 2 cents worth.
I agree for the most part. But I don't think wanting to see a weight graph in Movescount means you are just part of the Fitbit crowd though. I don't even think wanting step tracking makes you solely just part of the fitbit crowd. I don't think they need to incorporate as many features as Garmin but it would be nice to add a couple tweaks. Weight tracking (which someone in training may be interested in) is not a groundbreaking feature so I think it would be simple to add. Take TrainingPeaks for example, you can track your weight and even import nutritional data from MyFitnessPal and TrainingPeaks is certainly aimed at the serious athlete. I love Suunto as much as anyone, but that doesn't mean they have it 100% right.
 

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I agree for the most part. But I don't think wanting to see a weight graph in Movescount means you are just part of the Fitbit crowd though. I don't even think wanting step tracking makes you solely just part of the fitbit crowd. I don't think they need to incorporate as many features as Garmin but it would be nice to add a couple tweaks. Weight tracking (which someone in training may be interested in) is not a groundbreaking feature so I think it would be simple to add. Take TrainingPeaks for example, you can track your weight and even import nutritional data from MyFitnessPal and TrainingPeaks is certainly aimed at the serious athlete. I love Suunto as much as anyone, but that doesn't mean they have it 100% right.
IMO, Step and weight tracking is part of the fitbit crowd. Serious athletes or "normal people who train seriously" do not care about steps. I'm not saying it's hard to implement but they have to draw the line somewhere and, apparently, it's here for Suunto.

Training peaks is purely a software company, not Suunto.
 
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