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I have a few watches like this one (picture). My father bought them in Europe like 20 years ago. Seems to me like old watches but i wish to know more about them. In the back panel you can read "8 Jours Levres Visible, double pla..es, Garantie interchangeable, ANCRE"

Seems to me like they are golden plated. Please, can someone tell me more info about this one?

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Welcome to the forum and congratulations on your watch. However, we don't give valuations here since we cannot be precise without seeing the watch "in person" (and in many cases not even if we could see it "in person") and a wide range is no use to you. It is generally similar to the others shown here so I would advise you to scour the net for other such specimens with official price tags and generate an average.

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Hartmut is right because there were many versions over a long period starting with 1888 Swiss patent. Most were big spring 6 jewels. Better ones were 15j. Many cases and dial qualities. Normally considered novelties, but not really cheap on today's collector market. Rarely found with expensive cases.Sold with many different dial marked names Swiss and American. I believe I have a best grade one. 15j with fancy dial and original 18k hunter case. Normally open face. With original box from their Swiss location.
Made before they imprinted prize medals in cases 1900+. Marked only 1888 patent. Originator attempted to get into high q market initially I believe, but I also believe the movement design never capable of high accuracy. I am sure case is original as the big mainspring needs to be accomodated wth a deep back. Not seen by me are any with double hinge backs perhaps for that reason. Otto Schild took over the
production from Gallie 1895? and made it a popular lower cost novelty special mostly but there are some odd good ones. An interesting variety that could make up a large collection.

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I just got one that is different from most others I have seen. It doesn't say Hebdomas anywhere on it and the barrel decoration is unique, to me anyway. It's not pristine but it works and keeps reasonable time. It is pin set which means it's probably pre 1920.

 

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Well, it is the same in principle - dial setup is the same and it has a large mainspring barrel on top of the main movement for the eight day power reserve. Except that this is decorated.....

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I have a few, some running, some in parts. Two that run are this Hebdomas, and another that says "Atlantis" on the dial.
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Well, it is the same in principle - dial setup is the same and it has a large mainspring barrel on top of the main movement for the eight day power reserve. Except that this is decorated.....

Hartmut Richter
I'm wondering something now. Is it possible that my watch was made before the company won any of the awards and medals they show on the barrels of most Hebdomas watches and that's why mine has a different pattern? Or is it more likely that it's just what was used by another watch company? The only mark I have found, and you can see it in the picture, is a capital M stamped into the barrel to the left of ANCRE ( I think ANCRE simply means that the watch has a lever escapement)
 

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I rather doubt that it was made before the company won those medals - most people and companies aren't that forsighted. It is, however, possible that it was made distinctly after the company won those medals. They were generally referred to for quite some time after they had been awarded.

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I rather doubt that it was made before the company won those medals - most people and companies aren't that forsighted. It is, however, possible that it was made distinctly after the company won those medals. They were generally referred to for quite some time after they had been awarded.

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How does being foresighted enter into it? If the watch was made before any awards were won, they certainly wouldn't be displaying representations of them. I am referring to my watch which has the two women on the barrel and no medals at all.

There is also the fact that it is a pin set watch which dates it to pre 1920 at least. Maybe it's even pre 1900.
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Oh, I see what you mean now. Yes, there is a chance that yours is older than the rest, particularly with the pin setting mechanism. However, that was still around for cheaper watches after 1900 and until around WWI so your watch may still be 20th century.

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