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Hello everyone,

I'm a big fan of all your threads, been watching for a while, and this would be my first post :)

Something about these watches really grab my attention, I can care less about the brand, but its the only thing I can find that is close to what i'm looking for. To me, all of the watches above look amazing, and I'd like to find one that has a similar 'theme' if you will. I like the how it has the shiny blue dial on the first one a lot, but on the other hand i like "dial art" on the last one, so i'm looking for something similar but costs a lot less lol

Here's a video of the one I like the most:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZmyi5ngogE

Thank you everyone, I look forward to your replies
 

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A lot less than Arnold and Son isn't saying much; the vast majority of watches made are a lot less than theirs. I believe the gold versions of their pieces are in the $40K range (MSRP), but the stainless ones are more around $10K (Arnold & Son Mid Complications True Moon Mens Watch Email... for $.11,950 for sale from a Trusted Seller on Chrono24), which makes the stainless one already "a lot less" than the gold ones. More or less, where are you seeking to land on the price spectrum?

A&S watches are no joke just as their prices aren't. That they look amazing to you is likely because they are amazing watches. The level of detail and refinement -- inside and out -- will not be mirrored in anything one could refer to as inexpensive. I've offered some potential items that you may want to consider, but equaling A&S will only occur in the same price range.

If it's just blue that appeals to you, handsome blue faced watches about and I'd suggest googling blue watches and looking at the pics to narrow your choices. Check this thread here on WUS for more ideas on moon phase watches. (https://www.watchuseek.com/f2/best-timepiece-moon-phase-653701.html) This feature may also be useful to you for moon phase watches: Top 17 Astronomical Watches - Part 3

Christian van der Klaauw does similarly exquisite things, but at similar prices to A&S. I've dug through my own collection of pics and info to find what I could that has the key attributes you identified: shiny, blue and dial art.

Frederique Constant ($3.5K - $5K - manufacture watches as are A&S) (Frédérique Constant Slimline Moonphase Manufacture)




Sarpaneva - $ (something around $5K would be my guess, but that's nothing more than a shot in the dark based on other prices for the brand)


Emile Chouriet - $ (I'm guessing $1500 - $3000, mainly because it's ETA inside and not a broadly known brand.)


Blancpain - $ (something around $10K I would expect if stainless steel.)




Hello everyone,

I'm a big fan of all your threads, been watching for a while, and this would be my first post :)

Something about these watches really grab my attention, I can care less about the brand, but its the only thing I can find that is close to what i'm looking for. To me, all of the watches above look amazing, and I'd like to find one that has a similar 'theme' if you will. I like the how it has the shiny blue dial on the first one a lot, but on the other hand i like "dial art" on the last one, so i'm looking for something similar but costs a lot less lol

Here's a video of the one I like the most:
Arnold and Son True Moon Moonphase with Diamond Constellation Dial.mov - YouTube

Thank you everyone, I look forward to your replies
 

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A lot less than Arnold and Son isn't saying much; the vast majority of watches made are a lot less than theirs. I believe the gold versions of their pieces are in the $40K range (MSRP), but the stainless ones are more around $10K (Arnold & Son Mid Complications True Moon Mens Watch Email... for $.11,950 for sale from a Trusted Seller on Chrono24), which makes the stainless one already "a lot less" than the gold ones. More or less, where are you seeking to land on the price spectrum?

A&S watches are no joke just as their prices aren't. That they look amazing to you is likely because they are amazing watches. The level of detail and refinement -- inside and out -- will not be mirrored in anything one could refer to as inexpensive. I've offered some potential items that you may want to consider, but equaling A&S will only occur in the same price range.

If it's just blue that appeals to you, handsome blue faced watches about and I'd suggest googling blue watches and looking at the pics to narrow your choices. Check this thread here on WUS for more ideas on moon phase watches. (https://www.watchuseek.com/f2/best-timepiece-moon-phase-653701.html) This feature may also be useful to you for moon phase watches: Top 17 Astronomical Watches - Part 3

Christian van der Klaauw does similarly exquisite things, but at similar prices to A&S. I've dug through my own collection of pics and info to find what I could that has the key attributes you identified: shiny, blue and dial art.



Sarpaneva - $ (something around $5K would be my guess, but that's nothing more than a shot in the dark based on other prices for the brand)



Blancpain - $ (something around $10K I would expect if stainless steel.)

Thank you all for the respones,

And Tony2009, the ones I left in the quote look amazing to me! Exactly the type of watches i'm looking for, especially the last one by blancpain

I'm willing to spend up to 7k, preferably around 5k. Which i know probably wont be enough for the level of quality and detail those watches have and the reason I didn't search online is because I didn't know what those type of watches were called.

So they're just called moonphase watches?

The arnold & sons one still look the best in my eyes, maybe I'll just invest in one sometime in the future when I can afford it.
 

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You're welcome. Glad I could help. TY for clarifying what "a lot less" means to you. I can give you a few other suggestions I found. (see below)

Yes, they are Moonphase (or moon phase) watches. It's a typical complication in watchmaking and lots of houses making them. One key difference among them is that whereas A&S routinely offer the ones you pictured, when the other pricey brands offer something comparable, it's priced, more or less comparably. Also, outside of A&S, such things are generally limited editions made available initially only via ADs and as often as not, made of noble materials. That's unfortunate because were they SS, such pieces would move much better/faster/frequently for they'd be priced at ~$7K - $9K. Of course, it's possible that a few ADs won't move the one or two they are allocated and they'll pass them on to the grey market. Blue and the moon have special appeal, however, so the limited addition blue ones may be much harder to find at low-ish prices.

The Blancpain is from their Villaret collection. Black is the current color for the moon phase piece. Blue and brown are prior colors. All are handsome. The white and cream variations will be easier to come by, but with a lot of effort on your part you may be able to find one of them fairly close to your targeted spend sum. The Villaret collection does offer pieces having dial details that are similar to the ones you like, but without the moon complication. That will help bring the price down while retaining the details that make the moon phase pieces so lovely. I think if you consider the A&S Royal Watch next to the moon variant, you'll see too what I mean. Often one can find the same thing in other brands.




I know you said seven is your limit, but...(Luxury Time Watches) this is an excellent price for one. (BTW the A&S models are called True Moon and Perpetual Moon)

Martin Braun (Martin Braun: Wristwatches | eBay) I'm not sure MB has the look you especially want, but it's a brand well worth consideration. The one pictured is part of the meteorite line. Plenty of MB stuff is in your ideal price range.



Jaquet Droz Eclipse - ~$12K MSRP for SS, so possibly available close to your target


Two versions form Maurice Lacroix ($3500-$4000) not quite the same level of flair, but there is flair there. (Overstock.com)


It's nice to see somone on here looking at classic pieces that yet have some character. Most often folks are just seeking the humdrum classic looks.

I'm surprised you aren't keen on the FC watch. FC are right now a bargain among manufacture pieces (the moon phase is as low as $2500 on the grey market). They are making stuff that's comparable in quality to a great many higher dollar competitors. Indeed, FC's current strategy is targeted to the watch buyer who wants something manufacture, but feels that "the usual" suspects charge too much because of their brand recognition. That strategy is typical when a brand is trying to build its name and customer base up a few notches, but it is only ever temporary. By far, one of the better ways to do that (if one is offering classically styled fare) is to offer comparable products at prices materially lower than comparable quality offerings from the established competitors. Once it's widely recognized as "as good as X-competitor," you can be the price points will leap. They may stay below X's prices, but the difference will be more notional than meaningful. At the moment, it's pretty clear to me that FC has its sights aimed at at least one member of the Richemont group. If I had to guess, not having taken the time to examine every brand's current portfolio of offerings, I'd speculate JLC and IWC, and to a lesser degree B. Mercier, who offer nice stuff, but little to no panache, which is unpardonable in a dress watch in the $5K+ range. That lack of flair is entirely why I didn't suggest the B&M blue moon phase watch. (Google up some B&M moon phase pics and see if you agree.) FWIW, it's <$5K by a tick or two.

One of the good ways to find the brands, especially the top tier ones and aspirants to that league, is to look at the businesses and their strategy before looking at the watches themselves. Right now, the competition between Swatch Group and Richemont group is getting hotter and hotter, in part because analysts are expecting more growth in the high end than in any other watch segment. So the time to buy high end pieces in now, not two or four years from now. Richemont has several more solidly established high-end brands, but Swatch is a larger company and with more ability to diversify the offerings within the brands it has. They piloted that approach with Omega, who offer a huge spectrum of products from below entry level high end prices to a good way into the middle of the high-end. (Keep that $30K MSRP defines the uppermost limit of what one can call high-end from a volume marketing stratgey perspective. Above that, it's a whole different ball game simply because there are no "masses" to which one can market and even with 30% discounts, one is skirting at the edge of what well off non-WIS are willing to spend on a watch.) I think it reasonble that Swatch will follow that approach as they have five popularly accepted brands that are top tier whereas Richemont have nine.

All the best and good luck.
 

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Perrelet Moonphase.
 

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Those 2 Blancpains look Incredible, I'm going to do some digging I've never heard of them before, this is the second time you've posted their watches. Also, Martin Brauns, not bad at all! Great Eye!

I also just a few hours have did some digging on FC watches, and I liked many of their watches, one of them I saw in article and absolutely loved it, although I'm ultimately aiming for a blue dial, it made me open up to the white dial a little. I realized that one of the watches I liked was the same watch you posted first, but it looked different on the pic!

I'm really considering FC Watches now. I am however going to read up on some of the names you mentioned.

It's nice to see somone on here looking at classic pieces that yet have some character. Most often folks are just seeking the humdrum classic looks.


Yup, I've seen a few threads, truth be told I've always liked watches but have never thought about seriously investing in a watch like A&S and after googling so much I got tired of finding the 'category' or 'theme' i'm looking for. So i'm excited about the finds you've shown me, and now I feel like I kind of know my way around better.

I'm surprised you aren't keen on the FC watch. FC are right now a bargain among manufacture pieces (the moon phase is as low as $2500 on the grey market). They are making stuff that's comparable in quality to a great many higher dollar competitors. Indeed, FC's current strategy is targeted to the watch buyer who wants something manufacture, but feels that "the usual" suspects charge too much because of their brand recognition. That strategy is typical when a brand is trying to build its name and customer base up a few notches, but it is only ever temporary. By far, one of the better ways to do that (if one is offering classically styled fare) is to offer comparable products at prices materially lower than comparable quality offerings from the established competitors. Once it's widely recognized as "as good as X-competitor," you can be the price points will leap. They may stay below X's prices, but the difference will be more notional than meaningful. At the moment, it's pretty clear to me that FC has its sights aimed at at least one member of the Richemont group. If I had to guess, not having taken the time to examine every brand's current portfolio of offerings, I'd speculate JLC and IWC, and to a lesser degree B. Mercier, who offer nice stuff, but little to no panache, which is unpardonable in a dress watch in the $5K+ range. That lack of flair is entirely why I didn't suggest the B&M blue moon phase watch. (Google up some B&M moon phase pics and see if you agree.) FWIW, it's <$5K by a tick or two.
Great Tip!

I actually looked into the FC watches after you said that, and i'm liking it better than the first time. I think after looking at their selection I have more respect for them now, and this seems like a good time to buy, so I am leaning more in the direction but I am still considering the A&S true moon and perpetual moon in the future if I can't find them at the right price.

I'm looking into all the names you've dropped in thread already. LOL before this thread all i knew was rolex, omegas, seikos, and the most recent A&S. And now I think I'm more knowledgeable and know where to look, and that makes it more fun.

Thank you.
 
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