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Don’t see a forum on this unless I missed it so thought I’d ask...anyone have experience with Audemars Piguet watches? Where do you get them from? Boutique? Do you have to pay MSRP (or more) or can you deal? Just doing some preliminary research on this brand before I decide. Incidentally while it may not make much sense, my other consideration was the YM with rhodium dial.


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Perhaps try the High End Forum: https://www.watchuseek.com/f381/

The Yacht Master is nice. prefer the Rose Gold version myself. It's beautiful - pictures by Monochrome:



 
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Very nice watches. I have the offshore and it is a work of art. Attention to detail is amazing.

Mine stopped working, but no big deal as any high end watch can have issues. AP repaired it under warranty.


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I’ve looked at them a lot; mostly in their Boutiques in Switzerland.....
I’d like to own the 15202-BC white gold with honey dial.....

Likes -
Francois Henry Bennehmias their head honcho - Love that guy!
Royal Oak Bracelets & Dials

Dislikes -
Potentially less rugged than Rolex Which I’ve worn forever
50m rating in Royal Oak line
Cost and time of service

If I’m going to spend $55k for the white gold watch I mentioned above, I’d rather buy Day-Date for $40k.
And around it goes.....
 

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I was interested in their Royal Oak divers watch which is $19,000 MSRP. Seems nice enough and the price is reasonable as compared to a Daytona. If durability is an issue then perhaps YM might be where I’m headed even though I’ve read that the dial is a scratch magnet.


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I was interested in their Royal Oak divers watch which is $19,000 MSRP. Seems nice enough and the price is reasonable as compared to a Daytona. If durability is an issue then perhaps YM might be where I’m headed even though I’ve read that the dial is a scratch magnet.


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No issue with durability on my offshore..
I also have a YM, again no real issues with the bezel..

Offshore are one of the best high end divers on the market.


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Very good. I wanted something truly high end and special, AP caught my eye, initially was well beyond my price range, but looks far more realistic nowadays.
 

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Very good. I wanted something truly high end and special, AP caught my eye, initially was well beyond my price range, but looks far more realistic nowadays.
As with all high end items, you will need to look after them and service them every few years, other then that, I’ve not had issues with them.


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Own an AP15400. Real horology. AP has been eliminating the ADs since 2017 and eventually boutiques only. MSRP only at boutiques. If you can still find a AD, yes discount is possible
 

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Let's put it this way. AP is more of a serious watch than a Rolex is. You will find out more about the differences in macroshots buddy :) The details that AP has on their dials and finishing is amazing. You cant say that for Rolex if you do macroshots.
 

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Yeah, I was not trying to compare the two. I understand AP is in a different league than Rolex. I've got a GMT II and I'm a big Rolex fan, but AP is definitely a step up. Patek Nautilus or Aquanaut would be ideal, but don't think I have the time to wait around for a watch like that to come my way.
 

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Just my $0.03 (adjusted for inflation), I think it would first help to know what AP you are considering. Even among just the Royal Oak line, there are considerable differences, for example a jumbo vs a ROO, not just in what each can handle, but how easily obtainable each is.

Without knowing anything else, I would say get the YM if you just want a watch you don't have to think about - just wear and go - and get a 15300/15500 if you want a watch you don't mind thinking about often.

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Just my $0.03 (adjusted for inflation), I think it would first help to know what AP you are considering. Even among just the Royal Oak line, there are considerable differences, for example a jumbo vs a ROO, not just in what each can handle, but how easily obtainable each is.

Without knowing anything else, I would say get the YM if you just want a watch you don't have to think about - just wear and go - and get a 15300/15500 if you want a watch you don't mind thinking about often.

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https://www.audemarspiguet.com/en/watch-collection/royal-oak-offshore/15710ST.OO.A002CA.01/

It's their cheapest Offshore.
 

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Beautiful watches. In a moment of madness I almost bought one a few years ago. It was pre owned and I ran it by my AD and they warned me about service costs. We all know its not cheap to service a watch but those things are in another league. He gave me a couple of examples and the one that springs to mind is the rubber clad bezel RO. It was something like £2000 for a service with bezel replacement. Again, hearsay but I was also told theyre similar to Rolex in that THEY decide what needs doing, they do the work and you get billed. No arguing. The dealer that I almost bought mine from laughed when I backed out and showed me the paperwork for the watch that I almost bought and it ran to about £3k although I cant remember what work was done.
 

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Beautiful watches. In a moment of madness I almost bought one a few years ago. It was pre owned and I ran it by my AD and they warned me about service costs. We all know its not cheap to service a watch but those things are in another league. He gave me a couple of examples and the one that springs to mind is the rubber clad bezel RO. It was something like £2000 for a service with bezel replacement. Again, hearsay but I was also told theyre similar to Rolex in that THEY decide what needs doing, they do the work and you get billed. No arguing. The dealer that I almost bought mine from laughed when I backed out and showed me the paperwork for the watch that I almost bought and it ran to about £3k although I cant remember what work was done.

Agree, and what I didn't emphasize earlier was......
I wear my watches 7-24-365 in all situations except brick-laying....(good thing I'm not a brick-layer ;-) )
I buy Rolex because they (almost) ALWAYS work, and NEVER travel with multiple watches.
I wear Rolex the way many folks wear G-Shocks....my beater is whatever I'm wearing.
The thought of spending MORE money on a fragile "piece-of-art" that stops working more frequently than Rolex; then costs many times more to repair doesn't work for me.
I always compare all high-end watches with Rolex....A Date-Just costs between $7,000 ~ $13,000. USD and a Day-Date costs between $30,000. & $40,000.
I've never seen a case profile I like more, and they're built like a tank....
 

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Agree, and what I didn't emphasize earlier was......
I wear my watches 7-24-365 in all situations except brick-laying....(good thing I'm not a brick-layer ;-) )
I buy Rolex because they (almost) ALWAYS work, and NEVER travel with multiple watches.
I wear Rolex the way many folks wear G-Shocks....my beater is whatever I'm wearing.
The thought of spending MORE money on a fragile "piece-of-art" that stops working more frequently than Rolex; then costs many times more to repair doesn't work for me.
I always compare all high-end watches with Rolex....A Date-Just costs between $7,000 ~ $13,000. USD and a Day-Date costs between $30,000. & $40,000.
I've never seen a case profile I like more, and they're built like a tank....
Fragile, not sure I agree..


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Well then I guess I’m back to Rolex then. I don’t buy watches often and I have three in my current rotation which is now going on 2 years. I wanted something I can wear daily without much thought.


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Okay. So my opinion - and this is just my opinion - I would go with the Yacht-master over the ROO. Why? Well...

ROO:
- The ROO is a beast. We're talking a 42mm case with a 14mm case height. That's a big boy that you've got to have the right wrist geometry to pull off.
- Big enough that they put it on rubber to help offset the weight, and so you're missing out on one of the best parts of wearing a Royal Oak, the bracelet.
- There will be no wearing this one on dressier occasions. Too tall and on rubber. This is NOT a GADA candidate.
- 3Hz beat rate, if that matters to you. The seconds hand won't be quite as smooth as the Rolex.
- Far more expensive than the Rolex, if you want new. However, I tend to see a lot of these show up grey market (which may be something to note all by itself; why are so many people putting these to the wind?).
- You DO get the exhibition case back and the AP name.
- You also get 300m of water resistance (vs 100m in the YM), but were you really going to take this diving?
- Also not as blingy as the YM, but that doesn't mean this isn't an in-your-face watch. There's nothing subtle about a ROO.

Rolex:
- Should be more comfortable; it's got the same case profile as my Daytona, which is arguably the most comfortable watch I own. It's not slab-sided like the Submariner.
- Smaller, at 40mm and 12mm high. Probably not lighter, since you have the platinum bezel and the bracelet, but at least more compact.
- Better lume with larger lume plots
- More accurate (not just because of the higher beat-rate, but because you're getting the top-of-the-line caliber 3235 movement in there)
- GADA candidate. This is basically a dressy sportswatch. (A little too dressy for my tastes, but YMMV.)
- Nothing to look at under a loupe. I mean, it's a Rolex; you know what you're getting.


Having said all of that - if you want my suggestion - you want a Royal Oak? Get yourself a real Royal Oak.

I wouldn't suggest the 15202 jumbo - it's got a delicate dress watch movement in it and the collectors are still driving the price well up for this one - but I would recommend considering a 15500 (41mm) or 15450 (37mm), the latter of which is MSRP $19,300. These at least have movements with full-balance bridges and can take daily wear. Now I hear what you're going to say, "but it's only got 50m of water resistance! I need at least 100m for a daily wearer!" And to that I would say that I would trust an AP with a screwdown crown and a stated 50m of WR more than I would most brands who claim 100m; the manual says it's swimmable, and that's enough for me. Now the manual also says to avoid thermal shocks - i.e. don't submerge it in the hot tub - so that you might want to be careful of, but there's no reason that a Royal Oak could not be your daily wearer; Genta designed the original jumbo to be a gentleman's only watch and there's no reason the upgraded versions cannot be either. YMMV.

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