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I'm looking at buying the blue Lace Augsburg in 39mm. I've been eyeing this watch for a while now, and I've recently noticed that there is 2 upgrades available on Laco's site.

The first one is an upgrade from the standard Miyota 821A to a Miyota 8315 for 70 USD. I could not find much information about this movement online, but it seems like it has a slightly longer power reserve (about 60 hours) and the same beat rate. It would be nice to have an ETA upgrade option, for those who want to pay a bit more.

The second upgrade is AR coating on both sides of the sapphire crystal, for 60 USD. This is the one I was considering over the upgraded movement. Is this worth it?

Any feedback would be appreciated.
 

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I've been eyeing the blue Augsburg 39 too, with the only thing holding me back being the 821a movement, which doesn't hack. I haven't checked Laco's site recently, but that'd be great if they offered the Augsburg with the 8315 movement, because it is a hacking movement. That's kinda crap if they're gonna charge you $70 more for it though. I think it should be standard on a $400 watch etc.
 

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I've been eyeing the blue Augsburg 39 too, with the only thing holding me back being the 821a movement, which doesn't hack. I haven't checked Laco's site recently, but that'd be great if they offered the Augsburg with the 8315 movement, because it is a hacking movement. That's kinda crap if they're gonna charge you $70 more for it though. I think it should be standard on a $400 watch etc.
I believe the version of the 821a that they use now does in fact hack. It certainly does on the Aachen Taupe 39mm that I purchased a few months ago.
 

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I've been eyeing the blue Augsburg 39 too, with the only thing holding me back being the 821a movement, which doesn't hack. I haven't checked Laco's site recently, but that'd be great if they offered the Augsburg with the 8315 movement, because it is a hacking movement. That's kinda crap if they're gonna charge you $70 more for it though. I think it should be standard on a $400 watch etc.
Agreed with SkullLeader, I believe the new 821a does hack now. And it should say on their site as well. That was also a big consideration when I was looking at buying it awhile back!
 

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That's good to hear. I've always read conflicting reports re: the 821a, in that it wasn't a hacking movement, but was going to updated soon. Most sellers won't list which particular version of the movement is in the watches that the're selling (or don't know themselves). For example, the Augsburgs currently on sale at Long Island Watch & via Teddy Baldesarre's website don't contain hacking movements, but Teddy said in his review that they were going to update the movement in the near future. All very confusing, which is why I've held off pulling the trigger on buying one until I'm confident that the watch I'll buy will have hacking. I'd pay extra if they'd just throw a 9015 in there and call it done LOL
 

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That 8315 movement caught my eye the other day. I don’t recall seeing that before. Interesting that they offer that instead of going for the more modern 90xx movements.

As much as I love a good 8xxx (I’m not overly hung up on hacking) it’s not a particularly sophisticated movement for a brand like Laco.
 

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I got my Laco 39mm Ausburg Taupe limited edition that has the 821a and I can confirm that it hacks.

Surprisingly, the movement is a lot quieter that my other watches that have the miyota 8 series movement, possibly because of the high built quality from laco helping with isolating the sound.

Amazing accuracy over course of 5 days though precision is a bit all over the place as it goes faster and slower. Regardless, it is still amazing for an entry movement to be getting an average of -0.8sec/day! So you can really see Laco's effort in regulating even these entry movements. Considering I paid $285 USD plus tax for the watch, I'm really happy.

FYI the watch wears really large, I can't imagine what it'll be like to wear the 42mm model as the 39mm I got wears larger than my 40mm Timex Marlin and even feels larger than my Seiko baby snowflake
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I'm looking at buying the blue Lace Augsburg in 39mm. I've been eyeing this watch for a while now, and I've recently noticed that there is 2 upgrades available on Laco's site.

The first one is an upgrade from the standard Miyota 821A to a Miyota 8315 for 70 USD. I could not find much information about this movement online, but it seems like it has a slightly longer power reserve (about 60 hours) and the same beat rate. It would be nice to have an ETA upgrade option, for those who want to pay a bit more.

The second upgrade is AR coating on both sides of the sapphire crystal, for 60 USD. This is the one I was considering over the upgraded movement. Is this worth it?

Any feedback would be appreciated.
Hi @leapinglizard - in my opinion, the Miyota 821A is good enough as I purchased on recently and it has worked like a dream. Hacking movement as all the other posts above said. Just make sure you don't buy a older stock which still has the non- hacking movement but any purchases direct from Laco would be okay. Mine has performed well, to -6 seconds per day and as good as any ETA movement.

Just a point of reference for you because you mentioned that you would like to an ETA. If that is what you desire, then you have to look at the Heidelberg or Speyer which is from the "Original" range and not the "Basic" range which the Augsburg is.

As for the AR, I got them on mine and I like it but I am fine either which way as reflections don't really bother me.

Good luck on your search and we look forward to welcoming another new Laco owner here. 😁
 

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I got my Laco 39mm Ausburg Taupe limited edition that has the 821a and I can confirm that it hacks.

Surprisingly, the movement is a lot quieter that my other watches that have the miyota 8 series movement, possibly because of the high built quality from laco helping with isolating the sound.

Amazing accuracy over course of 5 days though precision is a bit all over the place as it goes faster and slower. Regardless, it is still amazing for an entry movement to be getting an average of -0.8sec/day! So you can really see Laco's effort in regulating even these entry movements. Considering I paid $285 USD plus tax for the watch, I'm really happy.

FYI the watch wears really large, I can't imagine what it'll be like to wear the 42mm model as the 39mm I got wears larger than my 40mm Timex Marlin and even feels larger than my Seiko baby snowflake View attachment 15507745

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Thank you for the pics @Jiayaw !

Hi @leapinglizard - in my opinion, the Miyota 821A is good enough as I purchased on recently and it has worked like a dream. Hacking movement as all the other posts above said. Just make sure you don't buy a older stock which still has the non- hacking movement but any purchases direct from Laco would be okay. Mine has performed well, to -6 seconds per day and as good as any ETA movement.

Just a point of reference for you because you mentioned that you would like to an ETA. If that is what you desire, then you have to look at the Heidelberg or Speyer which is from the "Original" range and not the "Basic" range which the Augsburg is.

As for the AR, I got them on mine and I like it but I am fine either which way as reflections don't really bother me.

Good luck on your search and we look forward to welcoming another new Laco owner here. 😁
Thanks for the advice @Dogbert_is_fat ! Unfortunately, Laco only offers the blue dialled 39mm variant in the basic line, so that's what I'm gunning for! I will definitely share pics with this forum when I get it!
 

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I have an Augsburg and Aachen with the old stock 821A that does not hack and has no AR on the crystal. I've had non-hacking before and just learned to live with it, especially since I don't wear them everyday. If I were to pick one feature, I'd go with the AR since it doesn't seem like the upgraded Miyota is a top shelf movement. However, I have no real insight to Miyota movements. All that said, I've been very happy with the quality and performance (for the price) on both of my standard old stock.
 

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That's good to hear. I've always read conflicting reports re: the 821a, in that it wasn't a hacking movement, but was going to updated soon. Most sellers won't list which particular version of the movement is in the watches that the're selling (or don't know themselves). For example, the Augsburgs currently on sale at Long Island Watch & via Teddy Baldesarre's website don't contain hacking movements, but Teddy said in his review that they were going to update the movement in the near future. All very confusing, which is why I've held off pulling the trigger on buying one until I'm confident that the watch I'll buy will have hacking. I'd pay extra if they'd just throw a 9015 in there and call it done LOL
Agree. I confirmed with Long Island Watch yesterday.
 

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I went through the same decision with my Augsburg and later Aachen. The non-hacking earlier version of the Miyota 821A can actually be hacked (in the same way as the SKX007/9 or Omega Speedmaster) with slight back-pressure on the crown. I found that this only works though when the movement is close to be totally unwound.

The anti-reflective coating of the sapphire crystal was more of an issue for me than the movement. Is it worth it if you can find a watchmaker to do such a replacement? I think so!

Eventually, I sold both of my Basic series Lacos and upgraded to an Original series watch, a Leipzig Blaue Stunde. I got a very good deal through the For Sale section of Watchuseek from a trusted seller and I am extremely pleased with the watch. The difference between the flat crystal of the Basic series watches and the slightly domed sapphire crystal with AR coating is significant -- at least to me. It is something that I happen to be very sensitive to. A couple of other watches that I've owned in the past, notably the Hamilton Khaki Automatic and the Bulova Moon Watch (now called the Lunar Pilot) had so many reflections from the non-coated sapphire crystals that it made telling the time at a glance a real chore. With my Leipzig (I happen to be wearing it as I type this), it has made a great watch a sheer delight to own.

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I went through the same decision with my Augsburg and later Aachen. The non-hacking earlier version of the Miyota 821A can actually be hacked (in the same way as the SKX007/9 or Omega Speedmaster) with slight back-pressure on the crown. I found that this only works though when the movement is close to be totally unwound.

The anti-reflective coating of the sapphire crystal was more of an issue for me than the movement. Is it worth it if you can find a watchmaker to do such a replacement? I think so!

Eventually, I sold both of my Basic series Lacos and upgraded to an Original series watch, a Leipzig Blaue Stunde. I got a very good deal through the For Sale section of Watchuseek from a trusted seller and I am extremely pleased with the watch. The difference between the flat crystal of the Basic series watches and the slightly domed sapphire crystal with AR coating is significant -- at least to me. It is something that I happen to be very sensitive to. A couple of other watches that I've owned in the past, notably the Hamilton Khaki Automatic and the Bulova Moon Watch (now called the Lunar Pilot) had so many reflections from the non-coated sapphire crystals that it made telling the time at a glance a real chore. With my Leipzig (I happen to be wearing it as I type this), it has made a great watch a sheer delight to own.

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Would like to hear more about the reflective issue. I have a Steinhart OVM with a domed sapphire crystal and AR coating. I love the watch but find it almost makes the dial harder to view clearly in indoor settings (it works perfectly outside on a sunny day). Another watch I have with a flat sapphire crystal and no AR seems more legible in more conditions. I am interested in the Augsburg for its clear legibility and would like to know your experience. Thanks


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A domed crystal will pull light in from many angles and therefore is subject to reflections. A flat crystal will only pull in reflections that are coming from the oblique angle to the viewer. By nature, flat crystals are less reflective than domed. This can be mitigated somewhat by adding a layer or two of anti-reflective coating. By precisely coating the surface of a sapphire with a very specific depth of magnesium fluoride (usually, but there are other materials used), the reflections can be canceled out and therefore the transmission of the light to the dial is less impeded.

Here's a photo of two watches, neither which have any anti-reflective coating on their crystals.

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On the Bulova Moon Watch (now the Lunar Pilot), there is an overall grayish haze caused by reflections from the window on the left of this photo. It has a flat crystal. On the Seiko Tuna, the reflective light is harsher but more localized. I have found with slightly domed crystals like seen on the Steinhart OVM (I've owned two of them in the past), the reflections are more like the Tuna than the Moon Watch. They are less intense because of the anti-reflective coating that Steinhart applies underneath the inner surface.

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Now, Damasko, Breitling, Omega, and many other manufacturers provide multiple layers of anti-reflective coating that can make the reflections nearly invisible. Here's a DA42 outside on a sunny day under a tree. It makes the crystal nearly invisible. This is a flat sapphire crystal.

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Both of these Omegas are shot on the same desk as the watches above. Both have layers of anti-reflective material on top and underneath the crystals. Both have domed sapphire crystals.

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Finally, the Augsburg I owned had a flat sapphire crystal and no anti-reflective coating. Note the same grayish haze as seen on the Bulova above.

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To summarize: anti-reflective coatings help reduce reflections greatly. Some of the best make the crystal seem invisible, no matter whether on a flat or a domed crystal.
 

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On my Augsburg and Aachen, the reflection is really focused because the crystal is flat. It’s like a direct spotlight.

I have a Hardlex on my Seiko that does not have AR. The reflection on that isn’t as sharp because it gets dispersed by the dome.

With my 2 Laco, I had no problem reading the time throughout the day. But when I spend some time admiring the watch, the reflection is annoying.
 

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I received my Laco Augsberg Blaue Stunde 42mm from the Laco AD in Ontario this week. No upgrades - stock with the Miyota 821a movement. Debated a bunch about going higher-end...even to the Munster for about 2.5x the price. So glad I went this way. I think based on what I read that the stock Miyota can have a fair bit of variability in accuracy. But the AD checked the movement on this one for me and assured me it was a particularly good/accurate one...he was dead on. Since I got it (3 days), the watch is -4spd, which is extraordinary and way above spec for this movement...better than the ETA average specs for the Munster!!! Thrilled with the value:

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I have sort of been following this thread. I'm wondering if someone more knowledgeable than I am; can shed some light on what the movement upgrade accomplishes. I would think it would be something very tangible for $70. But, again; I don't know. Unless it is a great deal more accurate, perhaps the money for the movement and coating is better put towards the Munster. I'm interested in any opinions.
 

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I think I found what the deal is on the upgrade. It is rated at the same accuracy -10 ~ +20/ per day. But, you get blued screws and a larger power reserve (from Laco's website).
 

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I think I found what the deal is on the upgrade. It is rated at the same accuracy -10 ~ +20/ per day. But, you get blued screws and a larger power reserve (from Laco's website).
It upgrades the power reserve to 60 hours.
 
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