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What's the general consensus on quality here? What are they comparable to quality-wise? Currently looking @ the double beat. I love their designs but it's hard to assess the quality of finishing from pictures a lot of the time.

I am familiar with the fact that the history is pretty meaningless here but I don't generally care about history when buying a watch. Obviously they seem to tank pretty hard too used but I don't think that's a huge deal if you buy used to start with.

BTW - used the search function and didn't really get much from people with hands-on experience.
 

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A&S are nothing to be worried about – the quality is there, as they’re made by La Joux Perret, who make movements for many other brands, in the same way Dubois-Depraz does.
Being owned by Citizen also adds to the security of the brand, regards servicing, etc down the road.
 

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What's the general consensus on quality here? What are they comparable to quality-wise? Currently looking @ the double beat. I love their designs but it's hard to assess the quality of finishing from pictures a lot of the time.

I am familiar with the fact that the history is pretty meaningless here but I don't generally care about history when buying a watch. Obviously they seem to tank pretty hard too used but I don't think that's a huge deal if you buy used to start with.

BTW - used the search function and didn't really get much from people with hands-on experience.
Hi!

I've had the opportunity to try hands on a few Arnold and Son models since I was really interested in buying one at some point.
I believe they are in the same league in terms of finishing as similarly priced Breguet or gold JLC. The quality of the movements is undeniable, however I found that the case design and finish was maybe a little inferior to say Parmigiani Fleurier or Vacheron Constantin. Nothing wrong really, just my feeling when holding the pieces and inspecting them closely. With that said, VC and Parmigiani have probably the best Swiss cases.
I would probably rate them above H. Moser though, on similarly priced models. But H. Moser high-end movements are maybe better finished. All of this is very subjective.

I think they are a great buy at a used or grey market price, and they have a philosophy of innovation that I do appreciate. They are pioneering in some design and movement choices that are then imitated by bigger brands. Just my 2 cents.

All the best,
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Hi!

I've had the opportunity to try hands on a few Arnold and Son models since I was really interested in buying one at some point.
I believe they are in the same league in terms of finishing as similarly priced Breguet or gold JLC. The quality of the movements is undeniable, however I found that the case design and finish was maybe a little inferior to say Parmigiani Fleurier or Vacheron Constantin. Nothing wrong really, just my feeling when holding the pieces and inspecting them closely. With that said, VC and Parmigiani have probably the best Swiss cases.
I would probably rate them above H. Moser though, on similarly priced models. But H. Moser high-end movements are maybe better finished. All of this is very subjective.

I think they are a great buy at a used or grey market price, and they have a philosophy of innovation that I do appreciate. They are pioneering in some design and movement choices that are then imitated by bigger brands. Just my 2 cents.

All the best,
A.
You beat me to it, I have almost the exact same impression—they are very good, but not in the league of Patek, VC or AP, let alone Lange. One caveat, I’ve only handled their mid and lower level pieces, not their top tier ones, they could be better.
 

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Had the chance to handle a few in person, very interesting watches with beautiful movements. All case sizes seem to be quite large though.

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Based off the posts above it would be fair to say finishing is similar to JLC quality wise? I'm leaning towards the partially skeletonized DuoMetre right now but some of the A&S pieces in the same price range are quite appealing...
 

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In the secondary market, A&S stand above the rest. Where else can you get a hand finished precious metal Tourbillon for 20K? And the innovative Ultra Thin one at that.

I wouldn't get hung up on finishing beyond their level too much... much of that can't be seen by the naked eye. (They have been better than every H. Moser I have handled; on par with Blancpain)

It's their dial work that is head and shoulders above when it comes to interesting complications. The next closest is MB&F 2 - 3X their price range (Opinion).

Their True-beat Dial Side is hypnotic.

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And their Nebula is a masterpiece of Skeletonization that has an astonishingly good deal MSRP (when compared to the rest of their lineup and whats available from competitors)

I have been waiting for the Nebula 38 to hit the secondary market (on all my watch lists). Love the symmetry. The 41.5 shows up now and then, but I think the 38 is still too new.

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Ah, that makes sense then. Citizen acquired A&S in 2012 (just 8 years ago from this post for you future necro posters).

They really helped the brand over the years. Come along way since then in both quality and innovation. Citizen keeps its hands off the R&D and detail work, but lends its massive weight and free cash flow when needed.
 

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I have handled a fair amount of Arnold and Son watches last year, and I was very pleased with their work on the dials, hands, indices and their movements in general. Their cases however felt underwhelming, like they were lacking a level of “finesse” that a Chopard or Parmigiani case exults. This was my feeling both on the instrument collection and royal collection. However they felt better than all the entry level Moser pieces I tried.
I find Arnold and Son appealing mostly for their movements which are incredible for the price point in my opinion.
 

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I find Arnold and Son appealing mostly for their movements which are incredible for the price point in my opinion.
+1. I've owned two, a True Beat 88 and a Pyramid Tourbillion. The movements were as good as anyone in the business but the cases especially in SS were less than impressive.

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+1. I've owned two, a True Beat 88 and a Pyramid Tourbillion. The movements were as good as anyone in the business but the cases especially in SS were less than impressive.

Cincy
I got the 'feeling' that Swiss Army did a better job with the case.
 
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