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Hi, I'm looking to buy my first "serious" watch and have been doing some research the last couple of weeks. I think I've narrowed down my choices to the 2 below:

Baume & Mercier Classima 8592 - ~ $1,300 (http://www.amazon.com/Baume-Mercier...322?s=watches&ie=UTF8&qid=1402971918&sr=1-322)




Perrelet Seacraft Chrono - ~ $1,600 (Perrelet Diver A1054-A Men's Watch)



I'm not a collector - just looking for a watch that I can wear every day for many years to come. My questions are below.


  • It appears that the Perrelet has more features (chrono, water resistance) / better finish / more complicated movement for almost the same money. Am I getting "more watch" for the money with the Perrelet?
  • It looks like the Perrelet Seacraft has been discontinued (no longer listed on the Perrelet website). Will I have trouble getting parts for this watch some time down the line if it needs to be repaired? In general, should I be worried about anything else with a watch model that has been discontinued?
  • I've been reading up on the 2 companies and one (Baume) has been around since the 1830s, while the other has been around for a little more than 20 years. Does that have any impact on the quality of their product or anything else I should be thinking about? My uneducated opinion is no, but I welcome your feedback on this.
  • Based on my research, the re-sale value for both is pretty low. Would one have higher re-sale value than the other or are they equally low? I don't see myself ever selling this watch, but it's still nice to know if it has some value.
  • Would it cost significantly more to have one watch serviced vs the other? The Baume has a standard ETA movement while the Perrelet uses a P-271 movement and is a chrono. I would most likely be using someone locally, not sending it to the company. Is the Perrelet a lot more difficult to have serviced?


I'm completely new to this so please let me know if there's something else I should be considering in my decision that I totally missed.

In general, my budget is $1,000 - $2,000. I'm looking to buy a new watch that I can wear every day. Are there any other watches similar in style to the 2 above I should be looking at that you feel may be better options?
 

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Hi, the Perrelet is a much better deal then the baume!! They have been blowing out the seacraft line on the internet but they shouldn't and you will get much more then you paid for it in value! Servicing the perrelet will be more because it is a chronograph which will always be more. The soprod movement is not any harder to service then an eta though, just make sure you find a good watchmaker to take care of it for you. Don't even think about this, do the perrelet!!! Also the metal bracelet the perrelet comes with is incredible, has a ratcheting extension that you press a big perrelet symbol to activate lol.

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2 different watches. To answer your specific questions:


  • It appears that the Perrelet has more features (chrono, water resistance) / better finish / more complicated movement for almost the same money. Am I getting "more watch" for the money with the Perrelet? Yes. Though...it doesn't work like that. You just buy whichever you prefer.
  • It looks like the Perrelet Seacraft has been discontinued (no longer listed on the Perrelet website). Will I have trouble getting parts for this watch some time down the line if it needs to be repaired? In general, should I be worried about anything else with a watch model that has been discontinued? The movement is a Soprod 2021 - I don't know how many have been produced but almost certainly not as many as the alternative and ubiquitous ETA 7750 chrono movement, or the ETA in the B&M.
  • I've been reading up on the 2 companies and one (Baume) has been around since the 1830s, while the other has been around for a little more than 20 years. Does that have any impact on the quality of their product or anything else I should be thinking about? My uneducated opinion is no, but I welcome your feedback on this. Nah - don't worry about that.
  • Based on my research, the re-sale value for both is pretty low. Would one have higher re-sale value than the other or are they equally low? I don't see myself ever selling this watch, but it's still nice to know if it has some value. Check completed ebay sales for the models. Buying preowned isn't a terrible idea.
  • Would it cost significantly more to have one watch serviced vs the other? The Baume has a standard ETA movement while the Perrelet uses a P-271 movement and is a chrono. I would most likely be using someone locally, not sending it to the company. Is the Perrelet a lot more difficult to have serviced? I guess the B&M could be serviced for maybe £150 locally; the chrono perhaps more like £350. Guestimates; many variables.
 

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I own a very similar BM and love it because its very thin (just 10mm) and fits under most dress shirts I own. So if I have to dress up, I can still wear a watch without my shirt bunching up above it. But while I like the BM, I really don't consider it a watch I could wear every day, it's too formal, too thin, too simple.

The other thing is size. BM is 42mm wide and 10mm thick, the Perrelet is 45mm wide and 18mm thick. That's a big difference, and depending on your wrist size, will make you either love or hate the watch.

My suggestion is to do some reading and learn about movements and complications and then go try on some watches at a local dealer. Then and only then, once you have a better idea for size and features, do some research on this forum and sites like wornandwound.com to find the perfect watch for you that has the specs you want.
 

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The Perrelet is a great watch for the money right now on the grey market, just be aware its a large watch, at 45mm on a bracelet just make sure thats what your looking for in an everyday piece
 

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Two completely different types of watch: Nonetheless, that is the plainest looking Classima model - there are much more interesting ones. I own several B&M watches and fit/finish is superb - don't have any Perrelet, but did check some out recently in Dubai - also very nicely finished watches; I would put the equal on those terms. However, the 'since 1777' stuff bothers me with Perrelet - lots of brands embellish on the history, but for me, Perrelet takes it a tad too far.
 

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How do you dress for work? If semi-dressy,office work,shirt tie the B&M...If you work installing cable, driving a big rig, the Perrelet.
 

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Thanks for your feedback everyone - much appreciated.

I've tried on the B&M and liked the way it fit. The Perrelet has been much harder to find in person - I'll keep looking or will try a similar sized watch to make sure it's not too large.

"Every day" for me is sitting in an office in front of a computer. I've seen people wearing diver watches with a dress shirt. Is that type of thing usually frowned upon? :)
 

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Thanks for your feedback everyone - much appreciated.

I've tried on the B&M and liked the way it fit. The Perrelet has been much harder to find in person - I'll keep looking or will try a similar sized watch to make sure it's not too large.

"Every day" for me is sitting in an office in front of a computer. I've seen people wearing diver watches with a dress shirt. Is that type of thing usually frowned upon? :)
Nah.....It's called "Desk Diving"...90% of Dive Watches are Desk Diver owned....:-!
 

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Both are nice, but I too would look hard at the B & M.
 

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You can also get a really high quality croc strap for the seacraft from Perrelet, here is mine! I should have bought the chrono though!!! The metal bracelet that comes with it is excellent though and I usually wear that. You won't be able to find any seacrafts at dealers anymore unfortunately so don't bother looking.


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The B&M sells for less than 1000 on different sites, I think sometimes as low as 800, so for half the price of the Perrelet, don't think it's a fair comparo. 45mm is a big watch unless you're a big guy with above average hands.
 

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The B&M sells for less than 1000 on different sites, I think sometimes as low as 800, so for half the price of the Perrelet, don't think it's a fair comparo. 45mm is a big watch unless you're a big guy with above average hands.
That's my big concern with the Perrelet - that it's too large. My wrist is 7.5" measured around. I'll look for some similar 45 mm watches to get a better feel for it.

Just curious, where did you come across the BM Classima 8592 for less than $1,000? The cheapest I could find was on amazon ($1,299).
 

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Nah.....It's called "Desk Diving"...90% of Dive Watches are Desk Diver owned....:-!
That's funny. I came across a review for the Perrelet that mentioned there was no lume on the second hand which made it hard to use when keeping track of time under water. Definitely not a concern for me. :)
 

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That's funny. I came across a review for the Perrelet that mentioned there was no lume on the second hand which made it hard to use when keeping track of time under water. Definitely not a concern for me. :)
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Lume on my second hand, 3 hand though not chrono

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The perrelet seacraft watches are really nice.

Stylistically it will work well with dress clothes it is just a question of how tight your sleeves are as to whether it will fit underneath.
 
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