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Welcome, lads and lasses, to the thirty-third instalment in this comedy/watchdog series! As always, we're going for a lemon picking. This means, as always I pick the lemons among listings, and explain to you, dear readers, what's wrong with them. That said... The game's afoot! Follow your spirit, and upon this charge...
This is your Bring a Brain!

As always, let us begin with our favourite Usual Suspects...

1950s Omega...
https://shop.hodinkee.com/collections/vintage-watches/products/1950s-omega-reference-14161-in-18k-yellow-gold?variant=28737820295243
...only it's not from the 1950s. Seriously, they could finally learn how to use Google, and start looking up serial numbers. The movement dates to 1944, and so does the case. Also, they acknowledge that it's a 30T2 RG, and later, in the specs, list it as a 30T2. No, that's not the same thing, H-Shop Boyos.

Now, this Rolex Datejust "Thunderbird..."
https://shop.hodinkee.com/collections/vintage-watches/products/1972-rolex-reference-1625-thunderbird-in-yellow-gold?variant=29080631541835
...and the classic H-Shop mistake - not knowing the difference between Rolex movements. It's a Datejust, so it cannot have the cal. 1570, because the 1570 is a no-date movement. The 1575 is the date version. Of course, it can be marked 1570, while at the same time being a 1575. That's well-known to most people in the know about Rolex movements... Also, "date disc in matching gold?" Wut? It used to be white, only it no longer is. That's not "gold."

Let's have a look at what Hodinkee always gets wrong...an Eterna.
https://shop.hodinkee.com/collections/vintage-watches/products/1960s-eterna-eterna-matic-super-kontiki
"Circa 1960s?" Seriously? That's the best you can do? What if I told you, that the movement serial points to late in 1963?

Let's check out this Tudor Submariner...
https://shop.hodinkee.com/collections/vintage-watches/products/1992-tudor-submariner-reference-79092?variant=28737542062155
The rotor on the movement has me unconvinced. The Tudor engraving looks sloppy, and the shield logo doesn't appear to be placed correctly. In all specimens I've seen, that shield is positioned right on the edge between Geneva stripes, the edge that runs through the very centre. Here, not only is it not positioned correctly, but also seems to be tilted!
Here, I've added a red line that runs along the edge between the Geneva waves/stripes:
1548-TudorSub-Movement alignment issue'.jpg

That's it for the Shop - now let's move on to the column, to which BaB owes its name.
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/may-31-bring-a-loupe

Hyping a listing for a beat-up Zodiac is one thing, a listing without a movement shot is another, and a listing with absolutely dreadful pictures is yet another, no? Apparently not, because Mr. Wingold hyped a listing with all three issues.
Then there's regurgitating the Zenith-JFK connection, to which we have some hearsay thrown in, and still nothing solid.
And then there's that ridiculously overpriced Doxa. Even the people in the comments seem to have enough of the Doxa stuff coming from Isaac... He doesn't quite seem to get his Doxas straight.


Let us visit another venue - this time, it's the King of Cape Cod!

Chezard-powered Doxa:
https://vintagecaliber.com/collections/vintage/products/1957-doxa-rare-dead-seconds

It wouldn't be worth half that price, even with a dial that doesn't look as if a dog chewed it.

Now, this Omega Memomatic:
https://vintagecaliber.com/collections/vintage/products/1969-omega-memomatic-jumbo-exotic-dial
"Exotic" dial... Bwahahahahahahahahaha! Oh, and I wondered how long will it take His Majesty VintageCaliber, the King of Cape Cod and Duke of the Dremel, Sovereign of Sandpaper, to attack another case with his tool kit. Well...not long.

Also, they don't quite seem to know how to interpret case back markings on Omegas...
https://vintagecaliber.com/collections/vintage/products/1958-omega-tresor-ref-2897-two-tone-dial
This watch is NOT a 2897. The case is correct for the 2897, but being that this is a cal. 501 with a sweep second, the other reference stamped on the back is the correct one - 2898. The 2897 is the sub-second version with cal.491.
And another case attacked with the tool kit... Aaaarghhh.


Yeah, let's have a look at a different place now. Wannagetfleeced?

First up, this redialed Longines:
https://wannabuyawatch.com/product/longines-14k-yg-elongated-hourglass-circa-1950s/
"Beautifully restored silver satin dial." Did they paint it with their legs?

This Helbros...
https://wannabuyawatch.com/product/helbros-17-jewel-mickey-mouse-circa-1970s-7/
...for 695 bucks? You've got to be taking the mickey, Wannagetfleeced...
But no, they're still taking the mickey:
https://wannabuyawatch.com/product/rolex-ss-oyster-precision-ref-6426-mickey-mouse-circa-1971/
Aaaarghhh.

I would say that that's yet another Ganjust...
https://wannabuyawatch.com/product/rolex-ss-oysterdate-precision-ref-6694-4-20-edition-circa-1967/
...but in fact, it's the Oysterdope Hipprecision. Another revolting redial. At that price, since they're in California, maybe they throw in a crystal bong and a few months supply of medicinal herbs? Just in case the buyer has glaucoma, or whatnot...


We'll finish with a visit to the Knowers of Nothing - T&H.

https://theoandharris.com/shop/vintage-watches/lip-parechoc/

1500 bucks for a LIP? Get lost.

And then, there's this LeCoultre...
https://theoandharris.com/shop/vintage-watches/lecoultre-chronograph-2/
4K bucks. Seriously? Lume on the hands is all gone, and the rust by the pushers tells me that I don't even want to know what's going on inside. The lower left lug is completely clawed.


That's it for this instalment of Bring a Brain! Take care, steer clear of the rocks, and as always, Bring a Brain will return if necessary!
 

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Hodinkee:

... Seriously, they could finally learn how to use Google ...

There are so many things they would need to learn before they should even talk about the shape of cases orthe functioning of spring bars, but they are experts of eyewash, masters of illusion and undisputed kings of drivel, the ideal prerequisites to screw the typical customers believing this nonsense and where intelligence and money in the pocket are diametrically opposed (at least when it comes to buy 'luxury items').

If I would only have one choice of a watch I must wear and could not sell or throw away, a beat-up Timex for $100 and any watch on sale at Hondinkee for $10, I would take the Timex. This is what I owe my families and my own reputation.

For some time, I could not understand why they are not trying to improve their behaviour and seek honest and professional help when describing highly priced items, but they either have absolutely no clue or they living according to the motto: 'Once the reputation is lost, you don't have to worry about anything to lose'.

And I cannot stop asking myself: Are all the deals (completed sales) real?

Brilliantly, just brilliantly put (the attacker of cases with his tool kit)!: 'His Majesty VintageCaliber, the King of Cape Cod and Duke of the Dremel, Sovereign of Sandpaper' ...
 

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The beat-up Eterna Super-Kontiki DIVER comes with a Hodinkee NATO strap, described by Hodinkee itself as: Cheap, cheerful, and intended to be swapped out as often as you change a pair of socks, these are the traditional nylon NATOs that you've seen all over the place – because, they just work. Buy 'em by the pack, because there isn't a more fun strap to own many of than a Nylon NATO.

All of that for only $4.500...
 

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The beat-up Eterna Super-Kontiki DIVER comes with a Hodinkee NATO strap, described by Hodinkee itself as: Cheap, cheerful, and intended to be swapped out as often as you change a pair of socks, these are the traditional nylon NATOs that you've seen all over the place – because, they just work. Buy 'em by the pack, because there isn't a more fun strap to own many of than a Nylon NATO.

All of that for only $4.500...
Yeah. $20 for a piece of nylon. Yikes. The "better together" offer with a spring bar tool for $45 total... Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!

In case someone wondered...
https://www.cheapestnatostraps.com/collections/nato-regimental/products/nato-strap-black-18-20-22-mm
https://www.cheapestnatostraps.com/collections/tools-spring-bars/products/spring-bar-tool
Total: south of 11 bucks.

"Buy them by the pack..." Sounds like something straight out of Tesco or Costco.
 

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Another excellent read thanks for sharing, the crooks are still selling their stuff. Luis 's replacant at a Bring a Loupe, Isaac Wingold didn't dare to come back. As usual beyond medicore condition watches at insane prices.
 
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Hodinkee:

... Seriously, they could finally learn how to use Google ...

There are so many things they would need to learn before they should even talk about the shape of cases orthe functioning of spring bars, but they are experts of eyewash, masters of illusion and undisputed kings of drivel, the ideal prerequisites to screw the typical customers believing this nonsense and where intelligence and money in the pocket are diametrically opposed (at least when it comes to buy 'luxury items').

If I would only have one choice of a watch I must wear and could not sell or throw away, a beat-up Timex for $100 and any watch on sale at Hondinkee for $10, I would take the Timex. This is what I owe my families and my own reputation.

For some time, I could not understand why they are not trying to improve their behaviour and seek honest and professional help when describing highly priced items, but they either have absolutely no clue or they living according to the motto: 'Once the reputation is lost, you don't have to worry about anything to lose'.

And I cannot stop asking myself: Are all the deals (completed sales) real?

Brilliantly, just brilliantly put (the attacker of cases with his tool kit)!: 'His Majesty VintageCaliber, the King of Cape Cod and Duke of the Dremel, Sovereign of Sandpaper' ...
You can't make of unknowledgeable and arrogant sellers, great, respectable and trustworthy people. And remember once a crook always a crook. The people who buy from them don't do deep and thorough research so they get what they deserve. Luis Westphalen promoted heavily Hoodwinkee and its poor condition watches but he got owned here many times, his sucessor Isaac Wingold appeared here once and never wanted to get in an argument back because he wouldn't be able to handle the truth. The sales are real but made with people who are utterly naive.
 

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You can't make of unknowledgeable and arrogant sellers, great, respectable and trustworthy people. And remember once a crook always a crook. The people who buy from them don't do deep and thorough research so they get what they deserve. Luis Westphalen promoted heavily Hoodwinkee and its poor condition watches but he got owned here many times, his sucessor Isaac Wingold appeared here once and never wanted to get in an argument back because he wouldn't be able to handle the truth. The sales are real but made with people who are utterly naive.
Not sure if I've ever seen Isaac here... There was Louis, and then there was Eneuri from the Shop. But yeah, on principle, they come here and leave rather quickly. Which is something of a pity, they're missing their chance to defend themselves. Well, Louis has ventured here quite a few times. He had some spirit to do so, which provided that we've given him a hard time here, is commendable. He just wasn't particularly good with vintage watches - that said, he didn't really stand much of a chance here.
 
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As always, thanks so much mkws, I always enjoy a bit of Hodinkee bashing. It boggles me how they carry on.

With respect, as the English like to say, can I highjack this by adding a couple of delightfully insane auction listings? I think you'll find them as idiotic as Hodinkee's, only in a slightly different sense.

First of all, I found the ideal replacement for mkws's much cherished vintage Invicta. Can you resist? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Seiko-UNIQUE-NOS-1955-Mens-Watch-Majestic-Snake-Logo/192628808915 A charming Seiko cal 10 watch for the entirely reasonable price of £55 000.

And speaking of Eternas, here's a choice offering from an auction house here: https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/william-george-auctions/catalogue-id-wi412707/lot-fb685280-e769-4e63-810c-aa9d009569da So said to see that it's missing the seconds hand. I guess it's somehow magically worth 10x what these are going for at trade auction here, perhaps because it's missing the seconds hand. I feel sad for the poor soul whose property is being represented by this usually sound auctioneer. Silly; a Google search will suffice to establish a more realistic market value.
 

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Hi there,

And speaking of Eternas....
Can't agree 100%:

So said to see that it's missing the seconds hand.
It never had a seconds hand. Particularely slim Eterna calibres were available without seconds hand, to create extremely slim watches.

I guess it's somehow magically worth 10x what these are going for at trade auction here...
I doubt GBP 500 will buy you 70g of 18K gold.

All in all no bargain, but not extremely overpriced.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
 

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Point taken, but some 3000s furnished with seconds hands, some not. Round versus tonneau, perhaps. All "ultra thin," I believe. And cal 1466U or 1500K, I think? Anyway, this one pictured with a solid gold dial and solid gold bracelet (85 gms total gold) went for £1250 at auction, so it's my opinion that – as a starting price! – the watch I linked to will not be going anywhere. But of course, we wish them all luck, both the seller and the buyer, alike.

Hi there,


Can't agree 100%:


It never had a seconds hand. Particularely slim Eterna calibres were available without seconds hand, to create extremely slim watches.


I doubt GBP 500 will buy you 70g of 18K gold.

All in all no bargain, but not extremely overpriced.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
 

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