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I am so happy there are a lot of people interested in this amazing Citizen movements and watches. I got my 1st Bullhead from my uncle. It was bought in Spain and It still running perfectly. Now I have three.
I have a question, Did these bullheads come with black and white calendar and day wheels? I have 2 with black and one with white ones. Does anyone know for sure?
 

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One interesting thing about the 67-9054 is the use of the movement holder. Its the only Citizen chronograph that uses this type. Its a very heavy steel movement mount protector that the movement is screwed into. It offers some protection, and all the Bulls and Speedies use a plastic ring movement holder. What i did with the dial on this one since it had damage, was to use flat black enamal around where the crystal rests on the dial. This is so when you looked at the crystal at an angle, it didnt draw attention away from the dial. Which almost seems at a glance that it was made this way. The tacky bezel is made of aluminum. The train wreck in the above threads provided this part and its needed to center the crystal. The pushers, are also different for this model. The Speedies pushers are shorter, and the Bulls are longer. I will admit that i really like this model. I really like the blue dials of this model more than the green, but the greens are even rarer. The other thing i struggled with on this one was decideing the color of the sweep seconds hand. I believe it should be yellow. The pics i can find of this model show yellow, not flourecent orange. The yellow was hard to recreate and i didnt want it to scream out from the dial. So i restored the flourecent orange which was tricky. When you resurect watches that are worn this hard, creativity patience and carefull planning can make for some neat stuff. I always liked ratt worn watches. There is something appealing to me about them that tell a story. I hoped you liked this so far. My crystal press broke so i couldnt post black dial Speedy. I will in the next couple days. This 67-9054 will get one more upload. Positional timing, a rotor install and a new case back gasket. Stay tuned, 31 Watch accessory Watch Fashion accessory Metal Watch accessory Watch Fashion accessory Analog watch Jewellery Watch Fashion accessory Watch accessory Metal Watch Electronics Fashion accessory Metal
 

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I am so happy there are a lot of people interested in this amazing Citizen movements and watches. I got my 1st Bullhead from my uncle. It was bought in Spain and It still running perfectly. Now I have three.
I have a question, Did these bullheads come with black and white calendar and day wheels? I have 2 with black and one with white ones. Does anyone know for sure?
Never seen the black ones. Can you post a pic of the 3 for a family photo. I really would like the black calendar but it wont work on any model except the Bulls. 31
 

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Do you have a tip on what paint to use for the florescent orange sub-dial hands? In aeroplane modeling, we call it "Day-Glo orange" and it's not easy to recreate! I would love that colour on my 67-9119 hands when I'm restoring it. I have a selection of acrylics, but these are impossible to brush on.
 

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There are 2 things that give the modern watch makers the advantage today than the years before. Modern lubricants ( Mobil 1) and the digital timing machine. No longer if you want to really time a watch, and i mean really time one is to not have 5 miles of paper clacking away. With digitals, now it can run for hours and even turn off the sound so you can get right to the business of your business. What is that,some may ask? Accurate mechanical watches. I was trained by a 40 year swiss master and a 25 year Rolex Vet. The goal, and i have done this, is chronometer accuracy. 1 in 10 watches make it there and im not about to spend 2 weeks doing that on this watch. But i want the best this watch can deliver. Because hey, thats what a watches job is to do. The industry standard of today is 12 seconds/day. Rolex is 4. Let me tell you straight up, it takes alot of time to get 4 seconds even with a really good quality watch. Now, take a ratt for example. I wont say more. This job to get this model watch timed to where it is took (1 hour) of hair by hair adjustments. If you notice that the beat error in the first pic is 1.1ms. Dont even bother to (fine) time it if thats what you have. You have got to set the "tune" before trying to positionally time the watch. If your hearts out of beat you wont be right. Turns out thats the same for a mechanical watch. Notice the 2nd timing pic. 0ms. You can actually hear a hair spring "ring" when a watch is "in beat." After setting all positions, its about 6 seconds a day. Quite frankly, its the best you are ever going to get in a 8110a and thats "high end to me." I have(7) 8110a Citizen model watches and these 2 ratts turned out the best as far as timing is concerned. I will admit though, i was on a mission for these 2 Citizens to proove a point. You can get high end accuracy results in watches that some would consider, "lesser watches." Hope you guys enjoyed this as much as i did. The last 2 pics are the finished restored results of what was bone yard recovery watches. Whats nice is if you scroll back up and look at Morris Minors green dialed 67-9054, you can see whats virtually show room 70s era time capsule condition. I ran out of pic space as per the forum. I want to reply to your questions and answer my blown up in box. I will start new threads and see what happens. Stay tuned, 31 Electronics Product Technology Electronic device Gadget Electronic device Technology Electronics Gadget Game boy advance Analog watch Watch Watch accessory Fashion accessory Jewellery Watch accessory Analog watch Fashion accessory Watch
 

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Anyone here knows what are the bezels from all this Citizen made of? And what kind of black paint was used. Why is it so difficult to find one that has not peeled almost completely.
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Anyone here knows what are the bezels from all this Citizen made of? And what kind of black paint was used. Why is it so difficult to find one that has not peeled almost completely.
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Which bezels on what models exactly? I might be able to help you with that. 31
 

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AFAIK the 67-9054's had an orange second hand - they can fade and look more yellow. There are some 8110 models with black day/date wheels other than the bullheads, rather than list them here, see my blog article: Automatic Chronographs | Sweephand's Vintage Citizen Watch Blog

Here's my green one, pretty sure it's in original condition:

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Wow, that is a sweety. I have to start an official 8110a thread for the Speedy restos. I ran out of pic space here. I have to do a family photo shoot there. 31
 

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The black outside bezel. You have the glass placed on the bezels..
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V, on the Bulls the Tachymeter is printed on the dial. On the 67-9054 it is that aluminum ring thats bezel set in the case. Im not sure what paint type is used, but almost always dial damage is caused by inexpierenced people that do not know how to clean a dial properly. Hope this helps, 31
 

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You've done an astounding job on these watches, well done!
Jaliya, thank you. I am looking forward to seeing your resto. We have to start a 8110a official thread here. I will help you in anyway i can to help you make your watch a reality. I am sending you the pics today. Let me know if you get them. The hand resto tip to get that color orange is to carefully clean off all of the paint on the hands. I use a dull model exacto razor blade knife. I will then carefully with one stroke, paint it with (flat white model enamel.) This provides a bright base coat for the orange. Semi gloss and gloss are almost impossible to use because it has too much oil in the paint. I dont know if you can access this semi gloss flourecent paint where you are but it is called (model master acryl #4703.) 31
 

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Jaliya, thank you. I am looking forward to seeing your resto. We have to start a 8110a official thread here. I will help you in anyway i can to help you make your watch a reality. I am sending you the pics today. Let me know if you get them. The hand resto tip to get that color orange is to carefully clean off all of the paint on the hands. I use a dull model exacto razor blade knife. I will then carefully with one stroke, paint it with (flat white model enamel.) This provides a bright base coat for the orange. Semi gloss and gloss are almost impossible to use because it has too much oil in the paint. I dont know if you can access this semi gloss flourecent paint where you are but it is called (model master acryl #4703.) 31
Thanks, will look forward to your photos! So is this the paint you used on your 9054 restoration? I'm sure I can locate one online at my favourite hobby shop!
In addition, what did you use to clean the dial so well on this? Was it rodico?
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Thanks, will look forward to your photos! So is this the paint you used on your 9054 restoration? I'm sure I can locate one online at my favourite hobby shop!
In addition, what did you use to clean the dial so well on this? Was it rodico?
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Yes, thats the secret formula paint. LOL. Radico is also correct, but i warn you to be extremely carefull and make sure your hands are free of oils. I will wear finger cots. Even though there a pain in the [email protected]#, oils, moisture and solvents of any kind is what muffs dials up. 31
 

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Here's mine. I was fortunate enough to find an all original one on eBay for a reasonable price. When I received it, it was not keeping consistent time. Somehow the beat lever had been moved considerably. Lacking the equipment to reset the beat the proper way, I started checking out photos online of 8110 movements and observed that all of them had the beat lever in the same spot. I carefully moved it to match the position in the photos. Now, it keeps very accurate time!

 

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Here is a pic from my other 2 Bullheads. One of them is going to be overhauled by 31 Jewels.
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V, right now on ebay. If you type as a search ("citizen bull head chronograph"), there is a seller that i have bought from who has new hardlex crystals for Bull heads. $8.00 bucks. (You should grab one up.) There is a (very) slim chance Citizen will have an original crystal in stock. Check it out. 31
 
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