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Hello everyone!

I’ve been a citizen(pun intended) in the world of watches now for some years and feel like it’s time I treat myself to a high quality quartz!

Originally I was set on the Grand Seiko SBGX259 or 269, and hadn’t even considered buying a Citizen watch ever. Well, that didn’t last long after seeing some pictures and articles posted of the Citizen AQ4020-54Y. The Deployant review(https://deployant.com/review-enter-...n-aq-4020-54y-best-quartz-watch-in-the-world/) in particular left me amazed and ready to spend.

Even though the Chronomaster got everything I’m looking for, I’d like to hear your thoughts before pulling the trigger as I’m certain I’m blinded by love.

Are there any other HAQs I should consider? Does the SBGX259 surpass the Chronomaster in any areas I’ve overlooked?

I’m aware the Citizen doesn’t keep the promised +/- 5 SPY for many owners, but that doesn’t bother me.

Thank you in advance! Looking forward to reading your input.
 

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I love everything about that Citizen Chronomaster! I think the design is absolutely stunning. And while the Grand Seiko line is known for the exquisite craftsmanship and VHP movement it looks to me like the Citizen is right on par. I'd also take a look a t the Longines Conquest VHP line. A LOT more price friendly and another one worth considering. If price were no object I'd have to go with the Citizen.
 

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I love everything about that Citizen Chronomaster! I think the design is absolutely stunning. And while the Grand Seiko line is known for the exquisite craftsmanship and VHP movement it looks to me like the Citizen is right on par. I'd also take a look a t the Longines Conquest VHP line. A LOT more price friendly and another one worth considering. If price were no object I'd have to go with the Citizen.
The Longines VHP doesn’t compare. I own one and enjoy it for what it is, but it is a chunky, uneven and unrefined design. I love the GS 9f models and am thoroughly intrigued by the Chronomaster. I won’t buy one without handling it first because I have a sneaking feeling the dial might let me down a bit, but overall the whole washi paper design is by far the most creative of all the HAQs in my opinion. Overall though, GS’s catalogue is deeper and offers more variety. Divers, GMTs, antimagnetics, no-dates, lumed sports watches, and more. I love the sbgv models, especially the 44gs case variants. The Chronomaster might have the best dial, but GS certainly has the best case(s).
 
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Having owned both The Citizen and a couple of Grand Seikos, my bias is towards GS. Now that GS have introduced IAHH on their latest 9F variant, there's not much that would tempt me back to Citizen. Except, perhaps, an affordable derivative of the 0100...
 

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The Citizens all seem really chilly to me. But the Seikos, they don't really feel that way. (I am wearing a CTQ57 right now, so it's not a criticism, but the watch really does have an icy demeanor about it, and I think the same would be true of the AQ4020. They just feel lifeless to me. Kind of like the way Credor watches do.)

I have a WatchRecon notice on it and I haven't seen too many Chronomasters listed over the past year. So it seems to me that many of the buyers are happy with their purchase.

(Compare that with the Seiko SBCJ201 or SBGA211, which seems to get a lot of listings, but they probably also get more purchases.)
 

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Based on the photos, the Chronomaster looks better to my eye. That’s the way I’d lean.
 

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Hello everyone!

I’ve been a citizen(pun intended) in the world of watches now for some years and feel like it’s time I treat myself to a high quality quartz!

Originally I was set on the Grand Seiko SBGX259 or 269, and hadn’t even considered buying a Citizen watch ever. Well, that didn’t last long after seeing some pictures and articles posted of the Citizen AQ4020-54Y. The Deployant review(https://deployant.com/review-enter-...n-aq-4020-54y-best-quartz-watch-in-the-world/) in particular left me amazed and ready to spend.

Even though the Chronomaster got everything I’m looking for, I’d like to hear your thoughts before pulling the trigger as I’m certain I’m blinded by love.

Are there any other HAQs I should consider? Does the SBGX259 surpass the Chronomaster in any areas I’ve overlooked?

I’m aware the Citizen doesn’t keep the promised +/- 5 SPY for many owners, but that doesn’t bother me.

Thank you in advance! Looking forward to reading your input.
Both are very cool watches. A very cool complication The Citizen has is a perpetual calendar.
As I just got mine a month ago, I'm itching to watch the change from not only leap year, but directly from 29 feb to 1 march, at midnight b-)
It also has the Eco-drive calibre A60 which will let you forget battery changes.
The finish has already gotten friends and colleagues at work checking it out, even though I gather the GS has an even better finish.
 

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The Citizens all seem really chilly to me. But the Seikos, they don't really feel that way. (I am wearing a CTQ57 right now, so it's not a criticism, but the watch really does have an icy demeanor about it, and I think the same would be true of the AQ4020. They just feel lifeless to me. Kind of like the way Credor watches do.)

I have a WatchRecon notice on it and I haven't seen too many Chronomasters listed over the past year. So it seems to me that many of the buyers are happy with their purchase.

(Compare that with the Seiko SBCJ201 or SBGA211, which seems to get a lot of listings, but they probably also get more purchases.)
That’s really interesting, I wonder why that is. Do you feel like it’s a quality thing or more just design?
 

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Hello everyone!

I’ve been a citizen(pun intended) in the world of watches now for some years and feel like it’s time I treat myself to a high quality quartz!

Originally I was set on the Grand Seiko SBGX259 or 269, and hadn’t even considered buying a Citizen watch ever. Well, that didn’t last long after seeing some pictures and articles posted of the Citizen AQ4020-54Y. The Deployant review(https://deployant.com/review-enter-...n-aq-4020-54y-best-quartz-watch-in-the-world/) in particular left me amazed and ready to spend.

Even though the Chronomaster got everything I’m looking for, I’d like to hear your thoughts before pulling the trigger as I’m certain I’m blinded by love.

Are there any other HAQs I should consider? Does the SBGX259 surpass the Chronomaster in any areas I’ve overlooked?

I’m aware the Citizen doesn’t keep the promised +/- 5 SPY for many owners, but that doesn’t bother me.

Thank you in advance! Looking forward to reading your input.
Both are very cool watches. A very cool complication The Citizen has is a perpetual calendar.
As I just got mine a month ago, I'm itching to watch the change from not only leap year, but directly from 29 feb to 1 march, at midnight

It also has the Eco-drive calibre A60 which will let you forget battery changes.
The finish has already gotten friends and colleagues at work checking it out, even though I gather the GS has an even better finish.
For sure! The features you listed are some of the reasons I’m absolutely captivated by this watch. Loving how the seconds hand is used for showing power reserve and year. Man, I have no choice, I must order it. Where did you buy it from? I’m considering Seiya, thewatchcompany and Higuchi at the moment.
 

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Hello everyone!

I’ve been a citizen(pun intended) in the world of watches now for some years and feel like it’s time I treat myself to a high quality quartz!

Originally I was set on the Grand Seiko SBGX259 or 269, and hadn’t even considered buying a Citizen watch ever. Well, that didn’t last long after seeing some pictures and articles posted of the Citizen AQ4020-54Y. The Deployant review(https://deployant.com/review-enter-...n-aq-4020-54y-best-quartz-watch-in-the-world/) in particular left me amazed and ready to spend.

Even though the Chronomaster got everything I’m looking for, I’d like to hear your thoughts before pulling the trigger as I’m certain I’m blinded by love.

Are there any other HAQs I should consider? Does the SBGX259 surpass the Chronomaster in any areas I’ve overlooked?

I’m aware the Citizen doesn’t keep the promised +/- 5 SPY for many owners, but that doesn’t bother me.

Thank you in advance! Looking forward to reading your input.
I have owned quite a few of Grand Seikos quartz offerings. SBGX 061, 063, 065 and SBGV 009, 019g, 223, 229, 025. And I have owned the AQ4020-54Y as well. You are choosing between a titanium eco-drive HAQ and a steel battery quartz HAQ. I would say that GS generally have a higher finish when looking under a loupe but not to the naked eye. What do you value more, finish or performance? All of my GS´s performed around +2s when changing DST, but you need to set the date 5 times a year and change battery every 2-3 years. Whith The Citizen you don´t. I only have Chronomasters with A660 at this time, but I am thinking of adding a A060 again when I find the right one...
GS= extra nice finish and classic look. Entry level, Datejust killer, very versitile looks but needs som attending to. Will probably keep good time even when not worn. 9f wich is tested an proved but 25 years old...
Citizen =nice finish and cool materials. Very unique dial and with titanium case and bracelet. Eco-drive with some cool features (power reserve, perpetual calendar, reset of hands) and a modern movement. I think it comes down to what you value, but I would go Chronomaster over any SBGX
 

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I have owned quite a few of Grand Seikos quartz offerings. SBGX 061, 063, 065 and SBGV 009, 019g, 223, 229, 025. And I have owned the AQ4020-54Y as well. You are choosing between a titanium eco-drive HAQ and a steel battery quartz HAQ. I would say that GS generally have a higher finish when looking under a loupe but not to the naked eye. What do you value more, finish or performance? All of my GS´s performed around +2s when changing DST, but you need to set the date 5 times a year and change battery every 2-3 years. Whith The Citizen you don´t. I only have Chronomasters with A660 at this time, but I am thinking of adding a A060 again when I find the right one...
GS= extra nice finish and classic look. Entry level, Datejust killer, very versitile looks but needs som attending to. Will probably keep good time even when not worn. 9f wich is tested an proved but 25 years old...
Citizen =nice finish and cool materials. Very unique dial and with titanium case and bracelet. Eco-drive with some cool features (power reserve, perpetual calendar, reset of hands) and a modern movement. I think it comes down to what you value, but I would go Chronomaster over any SBGX
Very good points! The Chronomaster is definitely winning for me aswell. I think I would be very pleased with a SBGX259 aswell, but the thought of it doesn’t excited me nearly as much as the Chronomaster does.

Thank you for the response!
 

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For sure! The features you listed are some of the reasons I’m absolutely captivated by this watch. Loving how the seconds hand is used for showing power reserve and year. Man, I have no choice, I must order it. Where did you buy it from? I’m considering Seiya, thewatchcompany and Higuchi at the moment.
I bought it locally in Sweden, but it was originally bought in Japan. The dealer stamp is in Japanese so... I can't really tell which shop :-d
Go with @Barbababa suggestion, he's in the know :-!
 
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