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Hello all, I recently came across my late father's CYMA watch. From the engraving on the back he must have been given it for his 21st birthday in 1948.

It does work, but I daren't wind it too much before I have it looked at by a watchmaker. It probably hasn't been wound in 30+ years.

I'm really hoping for any info on the watch I can get. I have googled the brand & found a few similar models, but nothing quite the same.

I'll try to post some pics, my photography skills are quite poor & it really doesn't look as bad in real life as it does when enlarged.;-)

Thanks in advance for any help you can give!
 

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Re: CYMA mechanical circa 1948 - Hoping for some info!

Cyma is a well known quality manufacturer. They are part of the Swatch Group, I believe. Service should be no problem.

Your dad really loved this watch judging by the wear. The design is consistent with the dating. A wonderful heirloom. You are fortunate to have it. A service, light polish, and a new crystal and you should be in business! Movement pics will of course generate more comment.

Thanks for posting and welcome to WUS Vintage where, like fine wine, watches get better with age.
 

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Probably from the Cyma 30 series. See

bidfun-db Cyma_030: Cyma 030

The case is by Handley. It was common for movement makers to outsource the casemaking. I don't know anything about Handley. There are references to it being an English firm but most examples seem to crop up in Australia. For example see:

Mechanical Watch Lovefest - Page 12 - MacTalk Forums

They made some cases for Rolex. The movement seems to be corrosion free and in nice order.:-!
 

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Hi -

That's actually a very, very interesting movement.

First of all, notice how large the balance wheel is (that's the wheel with the little weights on the outside at the 9 o'clock position in the second photo). A larger balance wheel, will generally give you a smoother beat, as a larger mass shows greater inertia and this results in a beat that, while slower, is more consistent.

Second, the balance is directly opposite the crown, which is a fairly unusual movement layout. Many movements have the balance wheel closer to the six than the nine, a compromise designed to minimize the size of the gear train. This is more elegant (at least in my opinion).

Cyma are underrated and underpriced watches. One of my grails is to find one of their military watches at a price I can pay. :) I've got 4 right now, including one of their elegant tank watches from the 1930s with a lovely full-plate movement...

The current Cyma has virtually nothing to do with the vintage Cymas.

JohnF
 

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Very nice watch indeed, what a terrific heirloom to have.

"one of their elegant tank watches from the 1930s with a lovely full-plate movement"
John, that sounds wonderful, please do share some photos at some point!
 

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Old and bad picture, but serves the purpose...



Cyma 334 movement.

PS: At some point I'll re do this one with proper macro gear, but this'll have to do. This movement is also made as a 3/4 plate movement, but this is a full-plate treatment...lovely geneva stripes. I bought the watch just for this movement, as the case is horrible. Dial and hands are okay...deserves a better fate than languishing around, but it's so darn small, and finding a new case is a major hurdle...

PPS: Just found this one as well: the 335 movement, which is the 3/4 plate version. Obviously not my picture, but serves to show the difference...

 

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Nice old watch John .F, I'm not familiar with the 'modern' terminology which
would call this a 'full plate' movement.
I'm old enough to remember when a 'full plate' movement described a watch
where the balance was fitted above the plate.

Didn't Cyma at one time have something to do with Tavannes?
 

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Re: CYMA mechanical circa 1948 - Hoping for some info!

Hi -

That's actually a very, very interesting movement.

First of all, notice how large the balance wheel is (that's the wheel with the little weights on the outside at the 9 o'clock position in the second photo). A larger balance wheel, will generally give you a smoother beat, as a larger mass shows greater inertia and this results in a beat that, while slower, is more consistent.

Second, the balance is directly opposite the crown, which is a fairly unusual movement layout. Many movements have the balance wheel closer to the six than the nine, a compromise designed to minimize the size of the gear train. This is more elegant (at least in my opinion).

Cyma are underrated and underpriced watches. One of my grails is to find one of their military watches at a price I can pay. :) I've got 4 right now, including one of their elegant tank watches from the 1930s with a lovely full-plate movement...

The current Cyma has virtually nothing to do with the vintage Cymas.

JohnF
Pardon the delayed response. Yes, I agree completely. Vintage Cyma watches are certainly underrated and use interesting movements. The Navy Star Deluxe below uses an R488.2 movement that is essentially identical in layout to the 030 although somewhat more functional in design. I wonder if the balance placement wasn't in-part dictated by the size of the balance as well as allowing the movement to be used for center and sub-seconds display.

Cyma_484_2.jpg

Cyma Front.jpg
Cyma Crown.jpg
 

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Re: CYMA mechanical circa 1948 - Hoping for some info!

Hi John,

the Cyma 488 is a late revival of the famous Pleiades chronometer:
bidfun-db Cyma_10_Pleiades: Cyma 10 Pleiades

Both have a unique train layout, reducing the volume of the movement without
reducing the sizes of the important components. A must for collectors.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
Thank you for the excellent information on the origin of the 488 movement Roland.
 
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