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Just got a very (what I assume) rare Breguet 18k gold 1/4 repeater (De La Marina Royale). What is best about the watch is it comes with the original case and hand signed papers from Breguet himself dated 1822. There is also another paper dated 1854 (looks like a service maybe?) signed by a "Jo Breguet" Joseph? It also has the original spare bulls eye crystal. Just wanted to get some opinions on it and maybe any idea of the value.

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Sorry we do not give valuations here. You need to check with a dealer who specializes in these sorts of antiques.
With box and papers obviously very valuable.
 

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In general, when appraisers attempt to put a "value" on something, they base their values on going market rates; things like what other, similar items have sold for in the past. Which creates a problem for something like this, because its not like they sell every day. Which is why you want to talk to a professional appraiser. If you're looking to sell it, you want to put it into a quality auction house whose auction catalogs are regularly read by watch collectors in order to ensure you get the best price. If you're just looking for an insurance appraisal, that's probably a bit easier, but make sure whoever does it is experienced with antique watches. In many respects, the value of this is priceless; you'd never be able to truly replace it if it was lost.

You might also want to get in touch with an archivist to see about the best way to preserve those documents; they're a key part of the value of this item, and every time you touch them, you destroy them a little bit.
 

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WOW....and I don't give wows lightly.
I'm stunned, this has every chance of being a genuine Breguet and a repeater to boot.

Everything looks correct and the provenance with box and hand written paperwork by the man himself,
amazing...truly.

Like I say, this all looks correct to me, Breguet has many fakers but the fakes I've saw looked nothing
like true Breguets wheras your watch ticks all the boxes, it needs to be appraised by an expert in exceptional watches.

All being correct this watch will be worth an incredible sum, I've no doubt.
Rich collectors and museums would love to have this watch...you are very fortunate.

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If it's not impolite could you tell us how you came by the watch?
 

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In general, when appraisers attempt to put a "value" on something, they base their values on going market rates; things like what other, similar items have sold for in the past. Which creates a problem for something like this, because its not like they sell every day.
You're not wrong there Abslomrob.
Who'ld have thought that a possible genuine Breguet would ever pop into this forum like that,
I swear I fell off my seat.

I agree, if the watch were to be sold then it should be through a specialist horological sale by Sothebies or Christies,
every dealer would want to buy this watch and would offer large sums, but a good auction hitting a worldwide clientel
then this watch would go through the roof...if it is what it seems of course and nothing is ringing any alarm bells.
 

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I agree with Radger in EVERY respect
I will pass a link to this thread to the Breguet expert and I use that term less than Wow!

His name is Philip Poniz

I hope he posts here.

Thanks for sharing an UNBELIEVABLE piece

Can you see the 'secret' signature between 11 and 12 and 1??

Breguet (snr) died in 1823, so the signature I guess is his son - Philip will know

FANTASTIC

STOP PRESS
I have emailed Philip Poniz.
Please be ULTRA careful with this piece. It should ONLY be handled by experts.
 

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I agree with Radger in EVERY respect
I will pass a link to this thread to the Breguet expert and I use that term less than Wow!

His name is Philip Poniz

I hope he posts here.

Thanks for sharing an UNBELIEVABLE piece

Can you see the 'secret' signature below the 12??
Is there still a spare balance wheel (or dial) in/under the second compartment in the box??
Breguet (snr) died in 1823, so the signature I guess is his son - Philip will know

FANTASTIC

STOP PRESS
I have emailed Philip Poniz.
Please be ULTRA careful with this piece. It should ONLY be handled by experts.
You're not wrong that this watch should be handled ultra carefully, this is a very important watch.
Expert horologists can only dream of discovering a previously unknown Breguet and yet one pops up in this forum.
Who'd have believed it...
American watch collectors are probably wondering what all the fuss is about ;)
 

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You're not wrong that this watch should be handled ultra carefully, this is a very important watch.
Expert horologists can only dream of discovering a previously unknown Breguet and yet one pops up in this forum.
Who'd have believed it...
American watch collectors are probably wondering what all the fuss is about ;)
It is UN BELIEVABLE - I have not stopped thinking about it all evening

Philip Poniz negotiated the lost secret diaries of Brequet between an anonymous seller and Swatch Group (Hayek Snr)

Philip knows every watch made or handled by Breguet.

This is JUST amazing and may be a WUS - special edition. Really
I am pretty sure this is 100% legitimate.
Adam
 

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It is UN BELIEVABLE - I have not stopped thinking about it all evening

Philip Poniz negotiated the lost secret diaries of Brequet between an anonymous seller and Swatch Group (Hayek Snr)

Philip knows every watch made or handled by Breguet.

This is JUST amazing and may be a WUS - special edition. Really
I am pretty sure this is 100% legitimate.
Adam
Me too, to all of that.

A couple of years ago or so in this forum after someone asked about a fake Breguet I remember
replying to someone (I can't remember who) tongue in cheek, saying that
'One of these days someone will ask after a genuine Breguet in here'.
'Never happen in a million years was the reply'.
 

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Me too, to all of that.

A couple of years ago or so in this forum after someone asked about a fake Breguet I remember
replying to someone (I can't remember who) tongue in cheek, saying that
'One of these days someone will ask after a genuine Breguet in here'.
'Never happen in a million years was the reply'.
probably me!
LOL
I can not believe it, and with timing papers, signed and box

Those papers signed by Breguet are like finding another parchment of the Dead Sea Scrolls

What is it worth - I can not even guess
 
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OK
Here we have the full story from acknowledged expert Philip Poniz. I asked a few additional questions so they are answered too.
I post EXACTLY as Philip says - I ONLY removed his valuation.
He is interested to buy the watch, if its for sale, and if the Original Poster wants to PM me, I will give him Philips email

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"Hi Adam,

The most interesting part of the watch is the fact that it has two certificates, including the original one, two descriptions, and the original box. It is a quarter repeater striking on a single gong and single hammer, a system invented, or rather adapted and simplified from Stogden, by Breguet. The small steel protrusion from the gong's block is a device used only by Breguet which strikes the gong indirectly - the hammer strikes the protrusion which in turn strikes the gong. The dial should have secret signatures between 11 and 12 and between 12 and 1. The manufacturing records state that the case and the cuvette were of gold. The center of the case you emailed a photo of seems to be of silver which is in contradiction with the records. Maybe it was changed later. Otherwise, the watch, no doubts, is the original Breguet No. 3626 which was sold in 1822. The previous watch, No. 3625, which I had some time ago, is an identical one, all gold, also with a single hammer, single gong, silver dial but in a hunting case. The consecutive one, No. 3627, which I saw in 1997 in La Chaux-de-Fonds Exhibition, is completely different - a deck watch in a silver case with detent escapement.
Regarding your question if it might be a minute repeater because "usually gold pieces are minute repeaters", the statement is true but valid only from circa 1880. Breguet made minute repeaters but they are very rare. Among about 1850 repeaters made by Breguet (outside perpetuelles), only about 4% or less are minute repeaters.

Is the watch for sale? If so, I would be interested because of its completeness with the box and papers. Let me know. Of course you can do with the above info what you want.
As for the value, it is worth between XX,000-XX,000 if all original. The last similar one, quarter repeater, all in gold with highly unusual personalized dial, was sold by Antiquorum in April 2012 (lot 472) for 13,750CHF with 25% commission, meaning the hammer price was 11,000CHF.

Best,
Philip"
UNQUOTE

ULTRA Interesting
BCPITCH5 - PM or email me at [email protected] if you want to sell.
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS - Philip Poniz
Regards
 
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Did you notice when this watch, No 3626, was new it sold for 3600 F in 1822

I wonder what made this watch far more expensive, when new, than this ruby cylinder Breguet quarter repeater, no 3663.

Antique Watch - Gold Ruby Cylinder Quarter Repeater by Breguet - Pieces of Time

Which was sold the same year 1822, to Sir Henry Potherston for 2400 Francs....the watch in this thread sold, when new, for 1200 Francs
more than the watch I linked to.
Why would this be?
What made this watch so special? it cost when new one third more than the double gonged
quarter repeater that I linked to.

Incidently, this 'lesser' watch at the link above, with no box or papers sold for US $34,875.00
 

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This is the most interesting thread I have read on here. A real piece of history and thank you to the other posters for all the information.
Thanks for posting
cheers
 

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Did you notice when this watch, No 3626, was new it sold for 3600 F in 1822

I wonder what made this watch far more expensive, when new, than this ruby cylinder Breguet quarter repeater, no 3663.

Antique Watch - Gold Ruby Cylinder Quarter Repeater by Breguet - Pieces of Time

Which was sold the same year 1822, to Sir Henry Potherston for 2400 Francs....the watch in this thread sold, when new, for 1200 Francs
more than the watch I linked to.
Why would this be?
What made this watch so special? it cost when new one third more than the double gonged
quarter repeater that I linked to.

Incidently, this 'lesser' watch at the link above, with no box or papers sold for US $ 34875.
Not sure, but sometimes Breguet bought back watches and resold them - that may be a reason. Only two people can confirm that - Hayek or Philip.

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This is the most interesting thread I have read on here. A real piece of history and thank you to the other posters for all the information.
Thanks for posting
cheers
toph
Agreed, but any thread that Philip Poniz comments in, is always a fantastic piece of knowledge.
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Thanks for all of the comments and advice! Glad I could finally break the streak with fake Breguet watches! Make no mistake it will be handled with care! Yes the secret signature is on the dial ("No. 3626 Breguet" between the 11 & 12 and again between the 12 & 1). I've emailed Breguet about the watch and am waiting their response. How would I get a hold of Mr. Poniz? Also are there any other auction houses besides Sothebies and Christies? Maybe one specifically for watches like this? Again I appreciate all the info/advice!
 

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Thanks for all of the comments and advice! Glad I could finally break the streak with fake Breguet watches! Make no mistake it will be handled with care! Yes the secret signature is on the dial ("No. 3626 Breguet" between the 11 & 12 and again between the 12 & 1). I've emailed Breguet about the watch and am waiting their response. How would I get a hold of Mr. Poniz? Also are there any other auction houses besides Sothebies and Christies? Maybe one specifically for watches like this? Again I appreciate all the info/advice!
If you PM or mail me I will put you in contact with Philip Poniz.
He in my opinion would be your best chance to sell with out paying a huge comission.

He can tell you everything about your watch

My email is
[email protected]

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What's the escapement on this, can you tell? There are wheels in there that I don't recognize, and I don't think it's a cylinder...
Usually a ruby cylinder escapement, that is just my experience knowledge (2% experience)

If you want I can ask Philip? But I think thats is what it will be


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