In that case I'd go Milgauss and trade up when the time comes. Like others have said If you can go try them on. The 37mm might not wear that small. I think you'll be in a better position to move from Milgauss to VC. Rather then VC to VC.I honestly think the difference in price could delay such a purchase at least another two years. Right now the 37mm is probably 6 months away. I guess I could always trade in for the 40mm Gen 2 Chrono when/if the time comes...
In general, no, I didn't find them to be any more fragile than most other brands. But, like every other brand, there are specific things to look for with each model. In some it might be related to the movement, others the case, etc. With this model, the hands in particular have several sharp features that, if not handled carefully, can show damage easily (I used wooden tweezers to handle them).I am curious, are you saying the VC dials and hands are more fragile than on a "typical" watch?
The second generation VC Overseas doesn't have an in-house VC movement either, it uses a JLC 889/2 ebauche.Please also keep in mind that, with the first gen VC Overseas, you're not getting a VC movement. These run on GP 3300 movements which are tenuously "high horology" at best (my Ebel Type-E has one too). FWIW.
great postSo, I guess I'm outing myself a bit here, but I can give some insight. I worked as a watchmaker for Vacheron for several years, so know these watches inside and out. This generation uses a Girard Perregaux base caliber, which is an excellent movement. Very reliable, long service intervals, 50 hour power reserve, and thin... I much prefer it to the JLC movement used in the OVS II models. Do note that your options for straps are limited, if not impossible. The case and bracelet should only be refinished by Vacheron, otherwise you risk ruining the integrity of the case shape forever. These wear more like a slightly larger watch, partially due to the case shape and integrated bracelet. Make sure to get detailed pictures of the condition of the case, dial and hands... these dials could start peeling if handled improperly, and the hands are frequently damaged by careless watchmakers. You can message me privately if you have other questions. It's a great watch, one I'd love to have at some point in the future.
Couple points:The Rolex is mass produced steel, the VC is not. You should see these watches, the level of refinement is insane! Is hand-polished everywhere, ever the places you cant see. Would you like to own a watch everyone has or a rare timepiece you can be proud of your whole life?
The latest releases are a totally different level, as the price reflects. The movement is all in-house produced, (truly) beautifully finished throughout. Sturdy construction, 60 hour power reserve, I think. Much more refined case and bracelet vs Gen II, though it trades a bit of its sportiness for elegance. For me the current generation is what the Overseas was always meant to be, and a worthy successor to the iconic 222. But, again, it's price reflects its position as a true luxury "sports" watch.great post
how about the Gen 3 (the latest releases i believe with the interchangeable straps), sir? What insi
I agree, this hobby is not logical. For me, servicing cost is a concern as well. If I were you, unless there's something must-have about Overseas that I want (mostly, it'd be the look), I'd go for alternatives that are cheaper to service. Personally, there's no aspect from "high horology" that I want at this point. Having experienced "mid-tier" is good enough for me.Very well put thank you. I think what I'll do is try and find a 37mm watch locally to tey on and if that fails I may try to model and 3D print one. Just to give me a sense of the dimensions.
Very good advice overall. This hobby certainly isn't a logical one.
Here's my take as a gen 3 Overseas owner on the latest 4500v...If it were me I’d get the Milgauss, but in z-blue. It’s something I actually did in fact. Vis-a-vis that Vacheron Constantin I have three reasons why:
1. the Milgauss has stop/hacking seconds. The Overseas does not, even in its most modern iteration. Unacceptable.
2. The dial on the Vacheron is amazing but the dial on the blue Milgauss is quite unique - it’s a shade of oceanic blue that is hard to find anywhere else.
3. The Vacheron has those weird dugouts in the bezel. I don’t understand why. I much prefer the simple forms on the Milgauss.
4. while the forms on the Milgauss are classic, there are so many quirky design elements that take it out of the classical Rolex look - crazy dial colors, green crystal, orange on the dial, orange on the seconds hand... it’s just a fun piece to the deadly and dull seriousness of the Vacheron.
5. 37mm is too small for my wrist.
6. The Milgauss, particularly in Z-blue, has superior value retention. Not such an issue if you’re buying a used and already depreciated G1 Overseas, but I like the idea of watches that hold value or appreciate.
7. service costs on the Milgauss will be far lower, and less frequent.
8. Pretty much the only thing I like better about the Vacheron is the exhibition case-back. I wish Rolex had those, with movements to match the view.