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Hello. Many of you were very helpful on my earlier -- and first! -- post. Thank you so much.

I have a question I hope you can answer. Before I learned more about what's possible (and abused) with watch dials, I purchased this watch from an individual describing the dial as original.
He included (bad) pictures of the movement, which I could see was a Longines 12L. Seller said serial # of the movement was 6151359. Case is YGF inscribed with serial # (I think) 9147228 "Cased an timed in USA by Longines".
I'll try and post pictures.

I'm curious if the dial is original, as the seller indicated. No Longines logo, no "Swiss" marking at the bottom of the dial. Hmmm ...

BTW, while I can use a case knife to get the crystal off, I don't know how to get to the movement. Didn't want to muck things up by trying (and failing). Any suggestions how that is done with this case?

Many thanks!
 

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"Original dial" doesn't necessarily mean that it's the original paint on the dial. However, there were also a lot of instances of watch movements being imported as "parts" to (typically) developing nations in order to get around import taxes; small in-country companies would do the casing themselves. I doubt that's what's going on here though, since the caseback clearly says that it was cased in the US. I'm pretty sure that it wasn't legal to sell a watch in the US if it didn't indicate it's country of origin on the dial.
 

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I don't think it is a proper font for "Longines" so that is another point for likely a redial.

Most likely the stem can be removed by pulling it out... this is probably a front-loader. But I NEVER do the actual pulling myself. I leave it to my watchmaker.

Once removed, the movement will easily come out.
 

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The intersections of the minute marks and the hour track seem to have overruns that an original dial wouldn't have . The marks on the painted hour markers are due to a wrong crystal whose inside edge is touching the dial .It's a beautiful watch with a very well redone dial . Longines used to have thier factory refinishes done International Dial on west 48th street in NYC ,this may be one of them . I really like the watch redone dial on all . I would put the right crystal on it and enjoy it !!


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Thanks Jesse1 ... I'm a bit new to this. Can you suggest how I could find an original (or simply, correct) crystal for it? Not sure where to even start. The one on it now fits tight and looks correct to my untrained eye. I can include more pics if that helps.
 

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I would like to see it with the bezel as the "damage " on the hour markers ( in green) could be caused the bezel as well
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Hi there,

the dial is not actually ugly. I'd accept it on a cheap watch pulled as first prize out of a gumball machine. But on a vintage watch from a reputable manufacturer it is kind of destruction.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
 

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Thanks for the very qualified complement, Roland. It was neither cheap nor expensive. I wouldn't describe myself as naive -- perhaps "hopeful" -- is a better adjective, but when an eBay seller advertises the fact that the dial is original, I expect it to be original (insert peals of laughter here). I bought this awhile ago and have learned many things cruising Internet fori since then so I consider myself a more educated consumer (meaning I know which questions to ask and I know SOMETHING about how to confirm the answers) but I still have a lot to learn. I'm having fun in the process and learning a lot anyway.

Jesse1 -- thanks for the edited photo. I post a picture of the watch + bezel tonight as I have to take off for work.

Assuming I have the inclination, is it possible to size just a dial (authentic to Longines and the time period of the movement) to replace this one? I assume so but I'd need to know several dimensions to make sure the dial fit and I'd like a period one as well.

Thank you!
 

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You mentioned that it is a 12L so that's half the battle in finding a new dial . As Roland said " it's not ugly " , I happen to like it . I completely understand the "purist " thing , I work with collectors all day ,every day , but what's the alternative ? Do you scrap these watches for parts because the dial is bad ? There is a finite supply of vintage pieces out there and with the way the watch companies are behaving lately ( trying to monopolize the repair market , therefore destroying the secondary market) I think the demand for interesting vintage pieces is going to continue to rise . I think we need to put more pressure on dial refinishers to get a better product and learn to enjoy what we have available to us .
 

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You could do some research on what dial designs were issued on this model of Longines and have it redialed in a better, more representative manner. Once it has been poorly done like this there's little down-side in trying for a better redial.
 

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Hi there,

I completely understand the "purist " thing ,
I'd not call me a purist, but I like old watches how they were designed and made, and not for the phantasy of a hobby painter. I.e. I have no problem with redials, but they should resume the original as narrow as possible. And as dials were made (and not digged out)back then, it is of course possible to make them the same way today - tools became better.

As said, the dial is not ugly, and I can understand that somebody likes the watch for its dial. But why does he want an antique piece of workmanship behind this fancy work? It is possible to copy this disign with an ink jet to a transfer film and stick it on a 5$ quartz ticker - ready.

Let me express it this way: If I love a pink Toyota, I'd not paint an old Silver Ghost pink.

My best advice: If you see a strange dial on any old watch, simply look up 100 contemporary watches. If you don't find any with a faint likeness, better don't believe that it is original. The only restriction: Don't include sources like India or South America into the comparison. The first are painted in various funky colors, the later are specialists for bright bicolor dials, pink with off white being doubtlessly the favorite.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
 
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