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Sadly enough, the world of "imaginative" restorations/ frankenstein/ marriage watches/ outright forgeries have come to light. With the resurgence in the last couple of years due to the buzz around their newest publicly-released watch, the Gallet Racing Heritage chronograph.

We've seen some pretty crummy attempts at people trying to pass off 'shaggy dogs' as the real thing.
I must thank forum user TucayJordan for this idea, it is apparently time.



So, let's add to this thread for all questions regarding the authenticity of Gallet watches.
My intent is not to call out people for posting something for sale, because it's quite probable that the current owner does not know the history of the piece, or it was simply worked on by unqualified people and the owner does not have the specific knowledge to determine good from bad. Yes, there are people that are actually trying to defraud potential buyers, but the idea of this thread is to help a buyer to make the best purchase possible.

I have a very solid knowledge of Gallet's history and their watches, but I'm certainly not the only Gallet aficionado here. I welcome the help of anyone that has information on the piece in question.

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The first posting, a definite shaggy dog.


Sent in by a forum user a couple day ago.
While I've not seen the movement yet, I don't need to. This is an outright fake, as it is nothing that Gallet ever produced. Probably a pocket watch caliber tossed into a new case, and a poorly done dial. Were they trying to invoke a pilot's watch theme here? Might be a decent timepiece, but it's certainly not a Gallet.
 

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This one is from my collection. I purchased this probably 7 years ago. While this is an original Marathon/ Gallet case, and movement, the dial has been altered. When Gallet entered into the contract with Marathon to supply these watches, exactly (10) sample pieces were sent for evaluation. These had Desert Shield on the dial. This was immediately nixxed, because at that time, it was not public knowledge that the operation name was to be Desert Shield.
The ADANAC/ Marathon/ Navigator was removed and reprinted. The second tell for this being a franken is that the person that made these used a too-big crown. The original crown barely sticks out from the protecting ears.




 

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Another Marathon Navigator, this one somebody decided to put a mechanical movement into a quartz case. While I admire the ingenuity it took to do this, it's still a frankenstein watch. Notice this also has the Desert Storm logo on the dial.





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OK, Can I play ?

This Gallet watch was sold on ebay recently for what looks like half it's possible value ?
Would anyone care to comment ?
BTW it has nothing to do with me (as a buyer or vendor ) - just interested in your comments

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-1970-039-s-Gallet-Racine-PVD-Military-USAF-Valjoux-7750-Chronograph-/292442048784?hash=item4416e78910:g:bVsAAOSwJRZafH~1&nma=true&si=BL1vxHXiuaMX8H4mHIDMPfG6Zvc%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
I think this price is plenty high for a PVD-coated (with brassing) 1970s style Valjoux 7750. I also wonder if it is missing its bracelet.
 

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Gallet made these for the US Gov, I believe for pilots/ USAF. The contract was similar to the nylon-cased navigators, but they wanted a chronograph. So to keep costs down, Gallet created these cases from brass, and PVD coated them. The R7750 was one of the older 17 jewel calibers, but still plenty of watch for it's intended use. I've got one of these in my collection, but mine has the original band. It's a multi-link stainless case made for Gallet that was also PVD coated to match the case.

Even though this is not generally a sought-after piece, that $900 was more than I'd expect this chrono to go for. Here's mine:

~D

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This Gallet watch was sold on ebay recently for what looks like half it's possible value ?
Would anyone care to comment ?
BTW it has nothing to do with me (as a buyer or vendor ) - just interested in your comments
 

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Here's one that I came across several years ago. This one has something fishy about it...



I have my doubts that this is a Gallet at all, other than the dial. It does have a Poljot 3133 caliber, which Gallet did use for one watch back in the 70's. It certainly looks like somebody cut out the date window with a screwdriver.
 

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This one was brought to my attention, it is a marriage watch at best, but I do have serious doubts that this case and V7733 ever came from the Gallet factory.

Face. This is a Gallet dial, note the chipping paint at 2 o'clock. This particular dial was prone to flaking, but it is a factory dial.
This style of case I've never seen Gallet use before. They did use a cushion case in 7733 format once, but it's lugs were very different. Plus, who uses internal pusher caps?


Caliber. Note how the Gallet & Co. looks lasered on, and the kerning is odd


Caseback. The wording is correct, but the spacing is again, odd. A factory case would have the spacing favor each word, as opposed to the overall arc.


Remember the dial? This image I grabbed from an ebay sale back in September 2015. Note the flaking, this is the dial on our marriage watch
 

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I'm looking through old sales posts and ebay, but cannot find images of the 'rash' of shaved chrono bridge watches offered as Gallet pieces a few months ago. There were several Gallet's, mostly V72 calibers, where the original maker's name was ground off and Gallet (and presumably more) was newly engraved in its place.

These are easily known by the lack of dishing around the jewels.

This image shows a proper Valjoux 72, but with a replaced chrono bridge, so we are not sure if it is fully a Gallet watch. The balance bridge does not show the JXR import code, either. This is not wholly unusual for newer models, but with no Gallet & Co branding on the caliber, it brings questions.



Here is a proper V72, a newer version, circa 1970's. Notice the deep dishes around the two jewels, this is a factory piece.


An older Gallet V72, this one from the late 1940's to early 1950's.
 

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Thank you Pantelis, glad you saved one of those images.

What's sad is that these are genuine Valjoux 72 calibers, considered to be one of the best available at the time. Is it worth the few extra dollars/ Yen/ Euro/ etc. that a "name" might bring as opposed to just selling a perfectly good watch and not damaging your reputation?

Sheesh, I sound like a naive boy scout...
 

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I would like the opinion of the Gallet fans here. I have been seeing an advert for many months on Chrono24 for a Gallet Galco. I recently messaged with the seller (joseph-watches.com / Gisbert A. Joseph SLU) and learned he has 12 of these left, so they can't be that rare. He is asking $741 + $56 shipping to US. I like the vintage diver vibe of the watch and was considering buying one. Would anyone here care to comment on this watch and in particular the price?


 

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I would like the opinion of the Gallet fans here. I have been seeing an advert for many months on Chrono24 for a Gallet Galco. I recently messaged with the seller (joseph-watches.com / Gisbert A. Joseph SLU) and learned he has 12 of these left, so they can't be that rare. He is asking $741 + $56 shipping to US. I like the vintage diver vibe of the watch and was considering buying one. Would anyone here care to comment on this watch and in particular the price?


The condition is nice, but I think that's a lot to pay for a diver-style watch with no particular brand name. There are a lot of legitimate and collectible vintage dive watches you could get for that price.
 

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Hi 767,
This Galco is more a Racine than a Gallet, but it is still a wholly-owned trademark of Gallet. I personally like those chunky diver watches, I believe it houses an A. Schild or similar caliber, that is perfectly sturdy and functional but maybe not 'flashy'.

The short version is that Jules Racine was a cousin of the Gallet's, and was their sole US importer for a number of years. Towards the 60's and 70's, they branched out trying to build more of the Racine brand. That's why you saw "Gallet by Racine" and even "Jules Racine & CO." stamped on the caliber bridge parts and casebacks from time to time.
So it's a legitimate Gallet sub-brand, not a fake at all.

There's an ebay listing for one with a really poor caliber photo. If you like the watch, see if they will take a bid offer from you.
~D


I would like the opinion of the Gallet fans here. I have been seeing an advert for many months on Chrono24 for a Gallet Galco. I recently messaged with the seller (joseph-watches.com / Gisbert A. Joseph SLU) and learned he has 12 of these left, so they can't be that rare. He is asking $741 + $56 shipping to US. I like the vintage diver vibe of the watch and was considering buying one. Would anyone here care to comment on this watch and in particular the price?
 

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great thread with great feedback, thanks for posting
 
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