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Guys, got myself a Doxa :p
As you see it has written this on it - "Gotenhafen U-Boot". doxa-gotenhafen.jpg
Checked some history of "Gotenhafen". Seems the town came into existence when this polish town "Gdynia" was renamed to Gotenhafen in 1939.
But in 1945 it was named back to "Gdynia" when Germany lost the war.

So that means the watch couldn't have been manufactured somewhere outside that window.

Here is what I'm looking for specifically -

1.) What does the M & N stand for ?
2.) 41338 - I guess is some serial number ?
3.) Was it really manufactured for German Navy ? I guess U-Boot means submarines, but not sure.

Thanks & would appreciate any info. you guys might have b-)
 

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One more thing...
I thought that eagle like logo was for Doxa, but seems that isn't.
Any idea what that might be ?
 

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geeks

Nice dial it looks in great condition.

If you have a photo of the movement that might help with dating.

The Eagle is the symbol for Germany which has been used in various forms for around 1200 years. This one was in use from 1935 to 1945 (.... rule).

The M stands for Marine (Naval) and the N is for the Number above which would be the issue number.

Try this link for general details on the kreigsmarine Germania International Kriegsmarine

The dates may not be as restricted from 1939 since the watch movement could have been manufactured before 1939 but the movement photo would help.

Also there is a forum for Doxa in watchseek so try for help there as well

Good luck
 

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Hi Geeks,
What you have here is a pocket watch which has been converted into a 'military style'
wristwatch, complete with repainted dial. These are manufacture in Eastern Europe, are modern
productions using old movements and repainted dials and are recased or the pkt watch cases have lugs added.
The markings on the dial can tell us nothing of any importance except that Doxa is probably the manufacturer
of the movement.
Watches such as this are quite common, especially on ebay and bare no resemblance to genuine military watches,
sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
 

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Thanks all..
NeilA - Thanks ! that gives me some more info.
Radger - I soooo hope this isn't fake..
Hartmut - the movement photo seems pretty similar, except the wheel connected to the palette doesn't have DOXA written on it. Also, what is FHF ?

Also, quick question, what does that pointer F/S indicate ? Is it some kind of servicing/oil indicator ?

Here are some of the inner photos -

doxa-inner-01.jpg

doxa-inner-02.jpg

doxa-inner-inner-cover.jpg
 

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Hi geeks



FHF = Fabrique d'Horlogerie de Fontainemelon

" Also, quick question, what does that pointer F/S indicate ? Is it some kind of servicing/oil indicator ?"
No , the pointer is part of the regulator ; F= fast S = slow (I think so)
The regulator essentially lengthens or shortens the hairspring as it moves between the hairspring stud and its maximum adjustment. A shorter hairspring moves faster a longer moves slower.
You could look here


http://www.ehow.com/how_12039490_adjust-micrometric-regulator.html

http://www.timepieceshoppe.com/regulate_adjust.html


but on the other hand, I must endorse the radger´s opinion: Pocket watch converted , dial repainted only for marketing purposes , most probably from Ukraine , not very interesting for collectors.

Nice movement (¿ Doxa ?)

But it´s OK if you like it

regards

Kingmatic
 

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Radger is correct - Ukranian pocket watch conversion with fake german navy military markings. Sorry.
 

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Thanks Kingmatic.
When you say it's repainted, you mean the dial is fake or the fact that parts of it are repainted ?
I actually seem to like the watch, but wanted to make sure that the inscriptions are relevant and not made up :)
 

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The dial (that is the metal) is authentic, which is what the sale listing would likely have said. Unfortunately the paint on it isn't and is certainly a work of complete fantasy.

Yes, they look nice, which is the market they are aimed at - people who are used to paying hundreds of dollars for watches which look nice. The sale listings are normally very carefully worded so that those who skim though them make assumptions about what is being said, whereas a detailed, careful reading will reveal the reality. All in all it's just a snake oil sale, but as Kingmatic says if you like it, then that is all that matters.
 

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Thanks Mirius. Maybe I should've studied it more.
Wonder if eBay knows about this ?
I was wondering why Ukraine has such truck loads of these :cool:
 

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In reality, the Ukranian/ Eastern Block countries aren't doing anything wrong. The way they word the auctions do not say that they are re-worked pocket watches. They are made by Doxa, in your case, so in a manner of speaking - they are original. The real problem is that they are wording this with the intent of defrauding people who think they are receiving a cool vintage military watch.
It does look interesting, but it has pretty much zero value to a collector - although that shouldn't stop you from enjoying it for what it is. It's one of the better conversions I've seen.
There are literally tons of pocket watches out there. They are making them into more desirable wrist watches for quick sale.
 

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Yeah, maybe you are correct.
It looks so real..
And heck its a Doxa ! I guess I should just enjoy it.
After 100 years when my great grandchild appraises it, he is going to be in for a shocker ;)
:cool:)
For me -> Lesson learnt
 

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Hi geeks,

Ukrainian botchers support learning the hard way even more efficient than Mumbai painters: Even if the watch meets your personal taste, there will be always someone who recognizes it as expensive trash.

I should political correctly and gently propose: Wear it if you love it. But I feel better with this suggestion: You can't wear it without the chance to be regarded as innocent (at least). So better take out the movement as parts donor, and drop the rest into the bin.

Regard, Roland Ranfft
 

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Hi geeks,

Ukrainian botchers support learning the hard way even more efficient than Mumbai painters: Even if the watch meets your personal taste, there will be always someone who recognizes it as expensive trash.

I should political correctly and gently propose: Wear it if you love it. But I feel better with this suggestion: You can't wear it without the chance to be regarded as innocent (at least). So better take out the movement as parts donor, and drop the rest into the bin.

Regard, Roland Ranfft
Being a WIS, I often ask to look at folks watches. When a fake appears, I tell them. It is interesting seeing the sheepish look on their faces almost always followed by a story about what a great bargain it was... then they slink away, feeling bad about their watch.

People should feel good about their watches. Wearing this watch will not make you feel good. Caveat Emptor.
 

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And I thought they Ukrainians only did this to Russian pocketwatches. So sad. You know they even do this to rare pocket chronographs :-(.
 

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Hi phillyj,

And I thought they Ukrainians only did this to Russian pocketwatches. So sad. You know they even do this to rare pocket chronographs :-(.
They don't shy away from nothing. And their business pattern performs well, as long as innoncent (friendly spoken) consumers pay more for such trash than for a mint Patek Philippe.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
 

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Well, can't add much more then what has been put forward, it is a shame these watches are altered so significantly, they have no shock protection, worn on the wrist their Over-sized looks are awkward and it's just a matter of time before a bump breaks the staff or something else. I do wear watches with-out shock protection, and I know they might take a bump, but I also have grown very aware of my watches while I wear them so they are less likely to end up broken.
Shame tho that was a nice Doxa...
 

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Well, can't add much more then what has been put forward, it is a shame these watches are altered so significantly, they have no shock protection, worn on the wrist their Over-sized looks are awkward and it's just a matter of time before a bump breaks the staff or something else. I do wear watches with-out shock protection, and I know they might take a bump, but I also have grown very aware of my watches while I wear them so they are less likely to end up broken.
Shame tho that was a nice Doxa...
The sad thing is these watches are even less resistant to shock damage than wristwatch movements due to their larger size... But I suspect most folks who buy them end up not wearing them so... oh well.
 

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Was this a pocketwatch conversion? Were the lugs welded on later? Was the engraved inner cover original? It looks nice.
 
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