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There's a reference to a PDF and farther down the page JackW says, "The spreadsheet is only viewable if you are registered at the Gruen Forums."

Uh... what does that mean?
WUS is an open community where all assets are shared with any guest. Other forums are closed communities hoarding their information unless you become a member. The forum you referenced is a closed community.

WUS is, by far, the largest watch forum on the Internet. This is one of the reasons. :)
 

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Feel free to stop by GruenWristwatches.com to get free info with no registration, etc.

Another way to date Gruens using case info is using Style Numbers. It works for all case manufacturers... for the most part.

If you don't want to have to do a table looking, a tool on the GruenWristwatches website will take a Style Number as input and it gives back information including a date. The tool is on the homepage and on the page where you can find PDFs for the article on Style Number Dating, an Annex to it and other free goodies. I promise no registrations Eeeb : -) Visit Dating.GruenWristwatches.com for all the info and tools you'll need.

And load up on the reference material while you're there!
 

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Well, contrary to the suggestion that we at the Vintage Gruen forum sit or hide info, it was simply put behind a registration wall because at the time I had decided that what I figured out was worthy of publication. Furthermore the reference to the 'forum' is a now defunct forum that went away. It has since been published in the NAWCC bulletin. If anyone thinks I'm or the forum I help run (it is run by a group of dedicated enthusiasts) is stingy with information, they are wrong. The registration is simply to eliminate spammers which we have an excellent record with as to having eliminated. We also have no adverts.

MLA - If you are interested in the full article, you can access it in the Bulletin archive if you're a member. Otherwise, shoot me a PM and I'll send it to you. Same goes for anyone else that is interested and is not an NAWCC member. However, please know that I'm on the road the next week so it'll be a while before I can send it along.
 
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I'm sure the defunct and faded away forum was my old one which indeed is gone.

The current VintageGruen forum is active and filled with the experts, I can vouch for that.

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I'm sure the defunct and faded away forum was my old one which indeed is gone.

The current VintageGruen forum is active and filled with the experts, I can vouch for that.

Hmmmm.... adverts....
Mike.
I am sure your forum is good, as was your last one, but "filled with experts" is something only in dreams.

Forums may enjoy one or two "experts" but if they were "filled" with them, there would be no need for forums.

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Mike.
I am sure your forum is good, as was your last one, but "filled with experts" is something only in dreams.

Forums may enjoy one or two "experts" but if they were "filled" with them, there would be no need for forums.

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Whoa on the "your forum is good". Me gots no forum no more that I can call "mine". I'm a member of quite a few forums, some with Gruens some not but I no longer run one, am not a moderator on one, or anything other than joe blow user.

I DO thank you very very much HOROLOGIST007 for the compliment on the Gruen forum I hosted. It's where I saw come together some of the people I consider to be experts. They started doing more and more fundamental research, and went on to make available research findings invaluable to Gruen collectors.

Since there is only one forum devoted 100% to Gruens on the internet that I'm aware of, I do consider that forum to be filled with Gruen experts. You can't sling a dead Curvex and not smack someone there that is an expert in SOME area of Gruens. It's a natural place for the brightest Gruen minds to meet, or at least be a member of. It's a great incubator for up and coming experts too. Maybe we have a different definition of experts. To me, tenure is not a requirements to be an expert, nor does tenure qualify one as an expert. I can't imagine why forums aren't needed if some have a large number of experts in them. It would seem the opposite. I send people that have no clue about Gruens over to the VG Forum because of the large number of experts.

I'm pretty sure almost all of the members at VG also belong to WUS, think highly of WUS and have recommended it an uncountable number of times.

No forum is perfect, but I don't think that VG is at the bottom of the forum bucket. Far from it.

OK, I'll stop defending what I said. I really don't want anyone to think I'm speaking on the behalf of that forum, as I am most certainly not. Please don't read it as me defending the VG Forum as the admins, moderators, and members are plenty good at that I'm sure and they need no defense that I can see from the discussion anyway. (sorry VG, didn't mean to stir trouble)
 

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Whoa on the "your forum is good". Me gots no forum no more that I can call "mine". I'm a member of quite a few forums, some with Gruens some not but I no longer run one, am not a moderator on one, or anything other than joe blow user.

I DO thank you very very much HOROLOGIST007for the compliment on the Gruen forum I hosted. It's where I saw come together some of the people I consider to be experts. They started doing more and more fundamental research, and went on to make available research findings invaluable to Gruen collectors.

Since there is only one forum devoted 100% to Gruens on the internet that I'm aware of, I do consider that forum to be filled with Gruen experts. You can't sling a dead Curvex and not smack someone there that is an expert in SOME area of Gruens. It's a natural place for the brightest Gruen minds to meet, or at least be a member of. It's a great incubator for up and coming experts too. Maybe we have a different definition of experts. To me, tenure is not a requirements to be an expert, nor does tenure qualify one as an expert. I can't imagine why forums aren't needed if some have a large number of experts in them. It would seem the opposite. I send people that have no clue about Gruens over to the VG Forum because of the large number of experts.

I'm pretty sure almost all of the members at VG also belong to WUS, think highly of WUS and have recommended it an uncountable number of times.

No forum is perfect, but I don't think that VG is at the bottom of the forum bucket. Far from it.

OK, I'll stop defending what I said. I really don't want anyone to think I'm speaking on the behalf of that forum, as I am most certainly not. Please don't read it as me defending the VG Forum as the admins, moderators, and members are plenty good at that I'm sure and they need no defense that I can see from the discussion anyway. (sorry VG, didn't mean to stir trouble)
Hi Mike
your original Gruen forum was very good, and it had a lot of knowledgable people.

I know "experts" exist, but no room or forum is "filled" with them, not here on WUS, not at NAWCC.

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All forums have good and bad things about them. My post just pointed out all data on WUS was available to anyone. I think this is a good thing.

The only requirement WUS has is, if you want to post, you need to claim a screen name and stick to it. You can still be anonymous if you wish. WUS is about as open as you can get.

When I started seven years ago there were a lot of watch forums which were bigger than WUS. For a number of reasons (the openness being one) WUS grew at a much faster rate than any of the others. Now it has grown to have a substantial size advantage over the other forums. (And, from what I can tell, the growth continues at a faster rate than the others.)

Yes there is a lot of advertising. There is a lot of expense associated with operating one of the largest forums on the Internet. And Ernie is doing all of this as a sole proprietorship. So the adverts keep the servers stocked with electrons and tech droogies to care and feed them. But anyone who finds them bothersome is free to use ad blockers available for various browsers (like most of the mods do...). And the 'paid for' sponsored forums are optional visits.

There is no antipathy to other forums (well... most other forums... some are stocked with discontents who were banned from WUS). It is a big world and there is room for lots of other approaches. Indeed Ernie has taken the step of opening an NAWCC forum to try to spread the word about that organization and its good works. If there were similar organizations I am sure they too would get similar promotion. David admitted Calibre11 was established in part because of Ernie's encouragement. The TAGHeuer forum discusses his major articles.

So please do not take my post pointing out WUS does not require registration to view data as anything other than pointing out one of the positive attributes of WUS.

(I wish I could get the NAWCC to emulate that... oh well. One step at a time. You should all join the NAWCC and promote openness from within!! :))
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I had a hybrid forum. Free to read, but needed to register to download content or photos. This protected the owner of the electronic images and documents. It was easy to share with the world your data however, you merely put stuff "in the clear" in a normal text post. It was just one way of doing it. I don't believe any particular one is "right". Atmosphere is my number 1 trait I examine. Ugh, didn't want to drag this out, but did want to point that hybrids exist.
 
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