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So I just won this internet auction and I tried to confirm the movement's authenticity via Roland Ranfft's database.

The closest I could find is the Universal 56, but that one does not have the date wheel like this watch obviously does.

Can anyone relieve my anxiety that I paid for an actual Universal Geneve manual wind?

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I can send my own pics when it arrives, so just attaching the seller's pics.
 

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Unfortunately Dr Ranfft's site - although the most comprehensive on the web - doesn't have every movement ever made. He mainly puts on the movements which pass through his hands. I can't positively ID the movement - but it looks good to me. It has a high standard of finish and the markings look authentic. Hopefully someone else can be more positive.:)
 

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The bridging looks a lot like some of the Eta winders... I'd look through them.
 

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The movement is certainly OK, and original to the watch. There were many similar movements produced by various manufacturers during that period, and most were based on (or quite similar to) the ETA 1100 series.
 

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Hi TheJohnP,

you were pretty close with the Universal 56. I have some variants of this calibre in the
pipeline, but hesitate to publish them, because the designation system of Universal is pretty
confusing, and the differences between some calibres are not visible.

Anyway, it appears that the Univesal 56 is equivalent to the the 1105 (11.5''') and the
smaller 1005 (10.5'''). Redesigned versions got either a suffix or a prefix in the form 1-, 2- etc.

I can't read it in your photo, but I suspect, it is a Universal 1-1105 or 1105-1, with the
version prefix/suffix 1 indicating a movable stud carrier, thus actually the same features as
the 56.

The same movements (with minor optical differences) were available from Movado, and I
have no idea who actually produced them.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
 

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Thanks for the feedback everyone!
Definitely makes me feel better for the money spent as I know of so many frankens and fakes out there.

I never really figured I'd find a Universal Geneve in my budget, guess there are Christmas miracles!

I'll upload better photos of watch and movement when I get it in.
 

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So I got the watch in this week and finally had a chance to open her up and take some more pics of the movement and some of the blemishes.

Overall it seems to be running both fast and slow. Probably just needs a good oiling and cleaning, which I have on my to do list. But after all the feedback from all of you and taking a closer look at the movement, I feel I did snag a great deal on an authentic Universal Geneve.

And the movement is marked "1107-1," anyone know much about that particular model? Probably a variant as Roland Ranfft suggests. Just curious.

Without further ado, here are the mess of photos:

(crystal needs a polish)
UG 4.JPG

(there are some spots on the dial)
UG 14.JPG

(plating has worn off on the one lug)
UG 6.JPG

(not sure what these numbers on the back of the case signify)
UG 13.JPG

(movement photo)
UG 8.JPG

(even more close up on movement)
UG 7.JPG

(marking for Universal 1107-1)
UG 9.JPG

(inside of back of case)
UG 10.JPG

(crown doesn't appear to be original)
UG 12.JPG

(close up on crown)
UG 11.JPG

Hi TheJohnP,

you were pretty close with the Universal 56. I have some variants of this calibre in the
pipeline, but hesitate to publish them, because the designation system of Universal is pretty
confusing, and the differences between some calibres are not visible.

Anyway, it appears that the Univesal 56 is equivalent to the the 1105 (11.5''') and the
smaller 1005 (10.5'''). Redesigned versions got either a suffix or a prefix in the form 1-, 2- etc.

I can't read it in your photo, but I suspect, it is a Universal 1-1105 or 1105-1, with the
version prefix/suffix 1 indicating a movable stud carrier, thus actually the same features as
the 56.

The same movements (with minor optical differences) were available from Movado, and I
have no idea who actually produced them.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
 

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thought it looked similar this but my zodiac balance bridge is diamond shaped and there are other subtle differences too. I guess this is the same 1100 as mentioned above?:
 

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Hi TheJohnP,

nothing to doubt. The Universal has a long line of successors with minor modifications, and
the 1107 is the last. I didn't notice the date, else I'd identify it immediately as 1107-1,
because this is the only member of this family with date.

For the decision whether this calibre was made by Movado or Universal, I'd lke to know how
the date is set on your Universal. Can it be quick set by repeating pulling the crown?

Hi DaBaeker,

the Zodiac 1100 is an ETA 1100 without noticable mosifications. If you compare Movado
345/348, Univerasl 56 (1105, 1106, 1107) you'll see that the first two have almost all details
common, while the ETA is completely different except the rough shapes of the bridges:



Last not least, the Movado/Universal is a relatively slim design, 3.35mm high, while the ETA is a more rugged design, 4.5mm high.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
 

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For the decision whether this calibre was made by Movado or Universal, I'd lke to know how the date is set on your Universal. Can it be quick set by repeating pulling the crown?
Roland,

The date can be quick set by pulling the crown. How cool is that?
Not sure who that signifies as maker of the movement, but it's good to know when I need to set the watch!

And thank you again for all your information and resources.
What would this forum be without you?!?
 

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Hi TheJohnP,

this makes Universal more probable to be the manufacturer. From Universal this calibre was
used in several generations, and only the last included a variant with date. From Movado just
one generation was used: The 345 without date and the 348 with date. As the date assembly
appears to be the same for both brands, the last generation from Universal (1107, 1107-1)
is equivalent to the only generation from Movado (345, 348).

Regards, Roland Ranfft
 

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I guess Universal cal 7011-1's are coming out of the woodwork.

I just bought this from an ebay seller:
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ug_7011_mvmt.jpg

My first UG.

I'm impressed by the level of finish of the movement. They obviously took a lot of care in building it.

Steve
 

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It is indeed a highly reworked and upgraded eta 1100 base a very good movement none the less
 

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Hi Georges,

sorry, can't agree. The Universal/Movado has nothing common with any ETA design. Compare also the dial views of the Universal/Movado (left) and ETA 1100 (right):



Regards, Roland Ranfft
 

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Hi Georges,

sorry, can't agree. The Universal/Movado has nothing common with any ETA design. Compare also the dial views of the Universal/Movado (left) and ETA 1100 (right):



Regards, Roland Ranfft
sorry my bad you are correct. So it is a full inhouse movement.Also as mentionned in one your posts above, the eta is thicker.
 
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