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I bought and just received this early WWI 'Trench' wristwatch.
It was described as a "Beautiful WW1 1915 Marconi Officers trench watch"

On examining it, I saw no indication it was 'Marconi' or Rolex.

I asked the seller who had been told by two separate sources it was a 'Rolex' Marconi movement, he even gave me a link to another 'Marconi' watch on Ebay that has no marking either on dial or movement.
I know that seller, and he thinks all his 'unmarked' movements are from the top 5 manufacturers.

anyway.
On receiving the watch, there is marked '68' beside the balance wheel on bottom plate. That is all I can see.
I checked Beguelin (Damas) its not that, I checked Gallet, its not that. Looks more like Fontainemelon. Did they make a '68'

Hope some one can help






Its a very nice piece, will post pictures after I can try to find movement and if any links to Rolex

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Not sure if I just want to see similarities.
I think you do, and even if it was closer to mine, what make is yours?

Thanks, but I need closer than that. LOL
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Sorry , I suppose I was just stirring the pot as I haven't got any clues to mine either other than it's in a 1915 sterling W&D wire lug case.
 

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Sorry , I suppose I was just stirring the pot as I haven't got any clues to mine either other than it's in a 1915 sterling W&D wire lug case.
Interesting
Well maybe Roland or others can identify both. BUT mine first.

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Hi there,

unfortunately most calibres of that time looked similar, and accordingly the advanced search spits out lots of calibres. However, the first begins with "A" (A. Michel) and is thefore quickly found:
bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: AM 220
But sorry, no match for the second: Probably the maker finished it beyond recognition, and only a dial view could help further.

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Hi there,

unfortunately most calibres of that time looked similar, and accordingly the advanced search spits out lots of calibres. However, the first begins with "A" (A. Michel) and is thefore quickly found:
bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: AM 220
But sorry, no match for the second: Probably the maker finished it beyond recognition, and only a dial view could help further.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
Hi Roland
Really thanks, truly appreciated.
I have found further details of Michel, A in Kathleen Pritchards books. They were one of the original group of 26 ebauch makers that became EBAUCHES SA

I have some questions, that maybe you can answer.
1) Any idea what the '68' is on the bottom plate, actually it looks 68 +, I wondered if it was referring to a patent.

2) Can you explain how you started your search, so I may learn how to better do it.

anyway, I doubt this is a Rolex , Marconi.

Thanks again
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Hard to tell from the photos as seem just out of focus there and the punching is messy. It seems to me that the top part of the 6 if it were a 6 is straight as it would be with a 3 and there could be the top to the three too. But too hard to be sure on my phone.
 

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Just a theory, but the number could just be a sequence serial. When finishing movements like this, the location of the pivots was subject to minor variations in location, so it was important to keep all the bridges and cocks together with the main plate to ensure that the gears would mesh properly. So you might find (for example) that if you remove the balance and look on the bottom of it, another "68" stamped there (and similarly under all the bridges). Makers like Gallet would use the last three or so digits of the movement serial, but a smaller maker might not bother with a full serial number.
 

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Hi Adam,

... Can you explain how you started your search, so I may learn how to better do it.
I'd be happy if I could, but it was just luck. This calibre shares its visual details with lots of others from its time, and entering all visible details in the advanced search form brings more than 200 hits. But as the list is arranged alphabetically, AM appeared pretty near the top of the list. It would have been boring if it were a Zenith 40-T, which is the last in the list.

However, this was actually the worst case. Usually the list is short enough to find a match pretty fast.

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Hard to tell from the photos as seem just out of focus there and the punching is messy. It seems to me that the top part of the 6 if it were a 6 is straight as it would be with a 3 and there could be the top to the three too. But too hard to be sure on my phone.
Pretty sure it is a '6', even if it was a '3' it would not change anything, the first caliber number I could find for A Michel is '90'.

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Yes it could be that, but its might big. Anyway, watch runs too well for me to strip it dowm. Sorry.
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Hi Adam,


I'd be happy if I could, but it was just luck. This calibre shares its visual details with lots of others from its time, and entering all visible details in the advanced search form brings more than 200 hits. But as the list is arranged alphabetically, AM appeared pretty near the top of the list. It would have been boring if it were a Zenith 40-T, which is the last in the list.

However, this was actually the worst case. Usually the list is short enough to find a match pretty fast.

Regards, Roland Ranfft
Thanks Roland
I had tried your site by searching caliber 68?
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Pretty sure it is a '6', even if it was a '3' it would not change anything, the first caliber number I could find for A Michel is '90'.
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Then you need better references. I suspect that Roland is right though my reference 220 has a different click. Still a dial side shot would do much to resolve these identification issues. A Michel were pretty much a volume supplier and produced numerous bridge variations and dial side shots provide much more definitive identification.
 

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Pretty sure it is a '6', even if it was a '3' it would not change anything, the first caliber number I could find for A Michel is '90'.
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Then you need better references. I suspect that Roland is right though my reference 220 has a different click. Still a dial side shot would do much to resolve these identification issues. A Michel were pretty much a volume supplier and produced numerous bridge variations and dial side shots provide much more definitive identification.
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I will post a new thread on the watch.
For certain, it is not a Rolex/Marconi.
Thanks to all
adam
 
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