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Hi, can anyone tell me about this watch please? It's an Orfina /Golden Flame/ steelback/ 2046/ waterproof/ automatic.
It was given to me by a friend who traded watches in Switzerland from the 60's to the 70's.
Unfortunately, it's been overwound and the 9 o'clock chapter has been knocked.
I'd really like to hear the specs and history.
Thank you.
 

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Welcome to the forum. I must say that there is no such thing as "overwound" - either the mainspring is broken (not really due to overwinding but probably more due to lack of servicing) or it is too gummed up from lack of servicing that it won't run and the mainspring keeps its tension. It really looks very late sixties/early seventies I am sure the dial marker could be fixed if you approach the right people - if it was missing, things would be more serious.

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Welcome to the forum. I must say that there is no such thing as "overwound" - either the mainspring is broken (not really due to overwinding but probably more due to lack of servicing) or it is too gummed up from lack of servicing that it won't run and the mainspring keeps its tension. It really looks very late sixties/early seventies I am sure the dial marker could be fixed if you approach the right people - if it was missing, things would be more serious.

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Hey thanks so ,much Hartmut, and so glad I happened onto this great site.
I do intend to get it fixed but I had no idea fixing the dial marker would be such a specialist thing - I would have thought a spot of superglue... but then I am no repairer.
I would still love some more info if anyone could help me. For instance, the '2046' on the back must refer to a model surely?
 

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You no doubt have discovered that Golden Flame is a brand name of Montres Orfina, Grenchen.



Case back numbers are sadly not often helpful, as they're usually related to the case maker not the brand.

If you post a photo of the movement I'm sure someone round here will be able to identify it for you, better still, if you want to do your own research, an excellent starting place is here: bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements
 

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Thanks for your help. This is such an interesting site.
You do realise that you're talking to a novice, don't you? Is there anything I should know before I pull off the back? I've just peeked into a thread where a man thinks he may have killed 2 watches!
I think I might just go to the source and email Orfina directly. Will let you know how I get on. Thanks again.
 

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To take the back off you'll need a special tool for screw backs, which you can easily find on fleabay, just please don't attack it with a screwdriver! Just treat it gently, and do it in a clean environment, there's a number of instructional videos etc on the net if you're unsure.

Good luck and welcome to the watch collecting game
 

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It looks like your watch has already been opened unprofessionally - there is a radial gash on the caseback! If you really feel unsure, visit a watchmaker and ask him to open it up. If you visit him for the ensuing service, he will gladly help you out.

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Thanks again, checked out YouTube for putting a watch together and also taking back off instructions. Very worried I might kill watch. Have emailed the company directly for more info.
 

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Thanks Hartmut. Yes exactly, will follow advice if I don't hear back from Orfina in a few days.
 

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That's a shame. Of course, there's no money in it for them - and researching old records takes time and effort. But a simple reply saying they can't help would have been nice.
 

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Just go and see any decent independent watchmaker - he will be able to help. Or do you have troubly finding one near you?

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I'd go to a small to medium sized shop that sells watches (and few or no other things). I.e. not a large department store that has practically everything, including a watch section. Ask whether they also service mechanical watches (i.e. not just change batteries in the quartz jobbies). If so, they should be able to help you out.

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I'd go to a small to medium sized shop that sells watches (and few or no other things). I.e. not a large department store that has practically everything, including a watch section. Ask whether they also service mechanical watches (i.e. not just change batteries in the quartz jobbies). If so, they should be able to help you out.

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Thanks once again Hartmut for your valuable help. I now have an email from Orfina.
 

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I have just opened an email from Orfina, which reads:
This Watch was produced from 1968 till 1970 is automatically AS Movement the mostly Watches have a micro plated Gold Case. The new
Price was Swiss Francs 480.- the collector Price by a good condition Model are Euro 250.-
I wish you a pleasant day, and if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Now that is what I call customer service. For the moment I have to run. Just thought I'd let this forum know as soon as possible. Cheers everybody.
 

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Just calling in to thank everyone for their help. Thanks everybody - your input has been a big help.
I was still a bit undecided about selling or hanging onto this watch. I've loved it and it's a great artpiece but it needs to be worn, so I think I will sell or trade it, so I will move to another forum but keep my eyes open on this one incase anyone else has anything more to add. My interest has always been about the design element; designer, other models in the range, history, ads, catalogues... not so much under the hood but perhaps as I hang around Watchuseek that may change. One would hope. Thanks again.
 
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