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Hey guys

So I inherited this watch from a dear old friend of mine. He got it from an old lady many moons ago.

Can anyone help me shed some light on origin, authenticity, value ect.

Thanks for all your help

Thanks a million guys

 

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The valuation is not important would really just like some more info on the piece :)
 

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Are there "buttons" on the exterior sides of the case? Is this possibly a repeater? If so, and if it is working, it should have some serious value.

Photos of the movement and the buttons would help. Others here know much more about pocket watches than I do.
 

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Are there "buttons" on the exterior sides of the case? Is this possibly a repeater? If so, and if it is working, it should have some serious value.

Photos of the movement and the buttons would help. Others here know much more about pocket watches than I do.
It reads minute repeater on the back (in French)

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Value?! Distinctly above average!!!

If you can open it up carefully and post a picture of the movement, we might be able to identify it for you. My guess would be Le Phare who specialised in that sort of thing. If you feel uncomfortable opening it up for fear of damaging it, please forget it. The possible value range is (as always) quite large but in this case (minute repeater, perpetual calendar and chronograph - adding up to the classic Grande complication), it will definitely be a case for the experts and the insurance company!

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Wow!
Seems a MULTI complication, day, date, month and moon phase + CHRONOGRAPH. - Wow
POSSIBLE a 'minute repeater' (not sre?
Gold and WORTH A LOT

Lovely, fantastic piece
 

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I can confirm it is a minute repeater. There are stamps that indicate it's 18 karat gold. It has a 585 stamp on the ring above the crown

I would not be comfortable in opening up the back side.
 

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That is one of those pocket watches that I will never own in my lifetime. The kind of watch that I would rather have than any Rolex or Patek Philippe, etc... and that has a price tag to match that desire.

Search eBay for "minute repeater pocket watch", pick the most expensive one listed, and figure that the insurance estimate will likely be more than that (disregard the repeater watch once owned by Roosevelt, though... it has a value blown way out of proportion simply because of supposed ownership).
 

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I can confirm it is a minute repeater. There are stamps that indicate it's 18 karat gold. It has a 585 stamp on the ring above the crown

I would not be comfortable in opening up the back side.
Plus a chronograph
as I said fantastic
Its OUT of my league, and I own a lot of GREAT watches.
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I can confirm it is a minute repeater. There are stamps that indicate it's 18 karat gold. It has a 585 stamp on the ring above the crown

I would not be comfortable in opening up the back side.
That is 14kt not 18kt... more likely to tarnish but less likely to wear.

Most real watchmakers would gladly open the case for you just so they could see it for themselves!
 

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So I managed to carefully open the back plate



It has the numbers : 8527 10508 inside two crosses.

Any ideas ??
 

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So I managed to carefully open the back plate



It has the numbers : 8527 10508 inside two crosses.

Any ideas ??
The crosses are patent descriptors

8527 is a patent by Jacot Houriet
Espacenet - Original document

A repeating watch with or without complications

Checking the second patent now
 

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hello
I think Le Phare movement with chronograph complication and calendar both products from Le Phare
regards enrico
 

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The patents were registered in 1894 and 1895, registered to "Jules Jacot-Houriet". Probably made near the turn of the century based on that. I've seen a couple of other pocket watches with the same "Medaille D'or Bordeaux 1895--Diplome D' Honneur Paris 1896." inscription (but without the complications).

A watch like this is rare and unique enough that it's next to impossible to give a valid estimate of it's "worth"; if you actually want to sell it, the hammer price will depend on a multitude of factors, mostly around how well its advertised to the right buyers. If your goal is insurance evaluation, you'll want to contact a qualified appraiser who is familiar with watches.
 

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The patents were registered in 1894 and 1895, registered to "Jules Jacot-Houriet". .
Yes I posted links to BOTH the patents??

@Moluk
If you want to sell it, I will pass to someone who is a major buyer and you can discuss directly and privately
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Here is another one, rather similar to yours (scroll down):

cronografo ...sconosciuto

Based on the patents and the overall structure of the movement (e.g. missing centrifugal regulator), I am beginning to doubt that it is a Le Phare movement. I am not sure whether Jacot-Houriet made their own movements or improved others; if the latter, the balance cock is a little reminescent of Lemania.....

bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Lemania 21.75'''

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