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I have been left some money. One of the few things I have always wanted to treat myself to is a high end end HAQ . To avoid hassle I want to stick to UK dealers . This rules out a lot of the imports which I know provide some great watches . The obvious choice is the Grand Seiko . Is it worth £2500.00 or is there something else I should be looking at ?
 

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The worth of something is simply defined as the highest price that someone is willing to pay for it. To some, a 2.5k GS is definitely worth it. I had one, once. Decided it wasn't worth keeping so I sold it. Then regretted the decision so much that I went out and bought the same model again.

They're truly fine watches. Excellent finishing for the price. Superbly made. The movement may be a little long-in-the-tooth in comparison to more modern alternatives from ETA and Citizen, but what exactly defines a watch's worth to you?

If you were to buy a Longines VHP with a more fully-featured and up-to-date movement, you would be sacrificing overall build quality, not to mention finishing. You'd get it for about a thousand less, though. Breitling and Omega still offer HAQ movements but in rather 'functional' designs. A vintage Crystron 4 Mega or Rolex Oysterquartz might be an option but as with anything vintage you have to do a bit of research, first, to ensure you aren't getting suckered into buying a lemon.
 

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Yeah, the major alternative would be a Citizen from their The Citizen/Chronomaster lines (which are getting kinda confused these days) and I don't see any UK sellers. But, AFAIK the only US source is the Citizen store in NYC, so you might want to check Citizen's web site to see about London boutiques, then talk to them.
 
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The worth of something is simply defined as the highest price that someone is willing to pay for it. To some, a 2.5k GS is definitely worth it. I had one, once. Decided it wasn't worth keeping so I sold it. Then regretted the decision so much that I went out and bought the same model again.

They're truly fine watches. Excellent finishing for the price. Superbly made. The movement may be a little long-in-the-tooth in comparison to more modern alternatives from ETA and Citizen, but what exactly defines a watch's worth to you?

If you were to buy a Longines VHP with a more fully-featured and up-to-date movement, you would be sacrificing overall build quality, not to mention finishing. You'd get it for about a thousand less, though. Breitling and Omega still offer HAQ movements but in rather 'functional' designs. A vintage Crystron 4 Mega or Rolex Oysterquartz might be an option but as with anything vintage you have to do a bit of research, first, to ensure you aren't getting suckered into buying a lemon.
I concur with the praises on GS. I recently acquired a JDM 9F that was originally released more than 10 years ago. I am very impressed with the quality. It is very comfortable on the wrist. It's the "glacier blue" model but the slightly textured dial tells a different story whenever I look at it. The blue doesn't always pop up. It's been almost a month since I got it, and it has not lost or gained a second. I thought it would be my only GS, but now I want more.....

Here it is, my sbgx047:

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I will almost certainly go for the GS. However there is one other watch wich I am quite interested in. The Sinn UX seems to be very a god watch from what little I have read. I am not sure how it compares to the GS.
 

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If you want exceptionally tough, yeah, the UX is built like a tank. The 955.652 has been around for quite a while too; CaliberCorner says 2004. 15 years of battery life is very tempting. Bells and whistles here are in the packaging...tegimented steel, serious WR. Totally a sport piece, whereas the current crop of 9F models are all dress.
 

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If you want exceptionally tough, yeah, the UX is built like a tank. The 955.652 has been around for quite a while too; CaliberCorner says 2004. 15 years of battery life is very tempting. Bells and whistles here are in the packaging...tegimented steel, serious WR. Totally a sport piece, whereas the current crop of 9F models are all dress.
You'll be extremely unlikely to see 15 years' battery life. That's what ETA claims for the basic movement, but before Sinn dumps it in an oil bath. Sinn only claim 'several years' in the user manual, but around 7 years appears to be normal. But then the killer for many potential buyers is that it has to go back to Frankfurt for servicing, as nobody else can do the oil fill. Very interesting and robust (and big and heavy) but not a very practical proposition for many. What did it for me was the lack of an independently-adjustable hour hand. But the GS fails for the same reason.
 

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Ahh...I missed that the UX was one of the oil-filled. Yeah, that'd kill it for me too.
 

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You'll be extremely unlikely to see 15 years' battery life. That's what ETA claims for the basic movement, but before Sinn dumps it in an oil bath. Sinn only claim 'several years' in the user manual, but around 7 years appears to be normal. But then the killer for many potential buyers is that it has to go back to Frankfurt for servicing, as nobody else can do the oil fill. Very interesting and robust (and big and heavy) but not a very practical proposition for many. What did it for me was the lack of an independently-adjustable hour hand. But the GS fails for the same reason.
I’ll just throw in that the Wempe Zeitmeister Quartz has the 955.652 with the long life battery and looks more GS than UX. (Don’t know anything more than checking them out online though)


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Does anyone have an idea of how accurate both the GS and UX are in real life ? How expensive are they both to have serviced ?
 

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I’ll just throw in that the Wempe Zeitmeister Quartz has the 955.652 with the long life battery and looks more GS than UX. (Don’t know anything more than checking them out online though)

True; we forget them. And they do have a London store, Bond Street.
 

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Does anyone have an idea of how accurate both the GS and UX are in real life ? How expensive are they both to have serviced ?
My first GS was performing just within its 10 SPY spec after a year, so I popped the back off and made an 8 SPY correction to get it closer to 0. My current GS is on course for 2 SPY.

I have no idea how much it would cost to get a GS serviced but I'm going to guess "a lot". My local Seiko service centre lists service prices for most types of Seiko but for Grand Seikos it simply says "call to discuss" (or something along those lines). Despite having now made inroads into international markets, I don't know how much GS servicing can really be done outside of Japan.

Edit - regarding accuracy, don't forget that GS, in their infinite wisdom, decided not to equip their watches with independently adjustable hour hands, so if you are going to be making DST adjustments (or travelling to another time zone) then you will never really see the watch meet its full SPY potential.
 

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Does anyone have an idea of how accurate both the GS and UX are in real life ? How expensive are they both to have serviced ?
This thread (below) suggests service is about $300 for the battery and oil change plus about $200 for the shipping (service is done at Sinn in Germany) posts 20 and 30 if I remember.

My UX runs about -20 seconds a year. I assume mine is at the edge of the scatter and that most would be better. Still happy with that. Note that I also have to set it twice a year for the time change.

My UX-S was shipped out yesterday from Denver using the Sinn pre-paid UPS label. It needs to get the standard service for a UX, but I also asked about an update on the lume, and if they can fix some of the PVD coating rubbing off in one small spot. I was going to reply to a previous thread about UX servicing but it disappeared!



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Does anyone have an idea of how accurate both the GS and UX are in real life ? How expensive are they both to have serviced ?
I have seen most thread pointing to the GS being more accurate. Now, I think the UX is probably more expensive to service because of the oil filled case to get to the battery. The GS has its movement in case (50 year service?) and the battery on the side which would make it much easier to replace and go. No problems.
 

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Final question 😊. Bearing in mind they are both quartz . How often do they both need servicing/ battery change ?
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Final question ��. Bearing in mind they are both quartz . How often do they both need servicing/ battery change ?
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The battery in my GS lasted four years. I changed it myself. It hasn't needed servicing yet.
 
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