[Pro5513]

amazing reading thanks for the teardown review of this movement !

 

[mouseandcat]

thanks!

 

[Jeremy Pang]

This is amazing！Thanks for the tear down review!

 

[KtWUS]

If anyone is interested in further reviews of ETA vs Chinese movements, here is a more recent one of the ETA 2824-2 versus Seagull ST2130 and Peacock SL3000.

 

[Triggaaar]

I'm confused: The movements themselves are well designed etc, but you may or may not have a well oiled movement, and you may get bits of metal inside.

If we're after a new watch from Seagull (I am) should we have it taken apart locally to check it out, or should it be ok?

Thanks

If anyone is interested in further reviews of ETA vs Chinese movements, here is a more recent one of the ETA 2824-2 versus Seagull ST2130 and Peacock SL3000.

From that review: A piece of brass is in a jewel hole

 

[Purple Hayz]

Great tear down and review. Very informative and thought provoking.

 

[fulltimekiller86]

i got a sea-gull automatic watch, running well.

 

[ddavidsonmd]

Re: How do Seagull and Hangzhou compare to an ETA 2824 or ETA 2004-1: An in-depth look...

Very informative.thanks

Michael

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[NyCSnEaK]

Very enjoyable thread. Thanks for the comparison.

 

[Kg4ever]

Thank you for sharing, I have learned a lot after spending 40 minutes reading it

 

[Stan Lee]

Re: How do Seagull and Hangzhou compare to an ETA 2824 or ETA 2004-1: An in-depth look...

An eye opener read. Thank you.

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[primerak]

Classic thread revived. This thread was one of the reasons that gave me confidence to try the Seagull 2130. In practice the movement I had was rough. Hand wound rough, and didn't wind on the wrist efficiently. Sent it back twice for repair under warranty but came to conclusion it was just an unrefined movement with quirks I had to live with. Kept time OK when it worked, but long gone and probably won't try again. That was years ago almost as old as this thread lol. Even the micro brand never used this movement again in any other models, my guess is that there probably were other complaints.

 

[LASC]

Excellent review! Thank you!

 

[CHARON6789]

Awesome thread. Thank for sharing

 

[mcwatch12]

many years of China's reputation for producing counterfeit products its hard to change that perception.

 

[mitar98]

More and more small independent watch makers (like Wilk Watchworks) are opting to use Chinese movements - he, in fact, uses the tourbillon's as well.
I think that the number 1 concern is reliability and how to get a customer comfortable to spend $500+ on something that only has a 1 - 2 year warranty. Agree that the major watch manufacturers dont offer a longer warranty, but they have built a reputation. Will be interesting to see if the Chinese movements have a real shot in disturbing their Swiss competitors.

 

[rickhufnagel7]

Re: How do Seagull and Hangzhou compare to an ETA 2824 or ETA 2004-1: An in-depth look...

I for one have a small army of parnis watches, watches I've built with st36 and watches I've built with swiss 6498s. The dang Chinese movements are spot on. A good clean and lube job and they run great. The mainsprings suck, so I'm intrigued to see how long they last, but really they've been fantastic. I even wear an st2555 every day to work and it's also spot on. And it takes some abuse. I've wanted to steinhart 44 Roman forever, but I've actually been looking at tissel with their version. The price is right and it's beautiful. I've found as long as you stick with the seagull or hangzou it's pretty much a win. As for the actual longevity of the things, I can't attest to that. Haven't killed one yet. Not for lack of trying, my poor work watch gets banged, beat, splashed, hot and cold temps and everything in between and it just runs great. Still looks great for that matter. Guess only time will tell.

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[rickhufnagel7]

Re: How do Seagull and Hangzhou compare to an ETA 2824 or ETA 2004-1: An in-depth look...

My opinion means squat, but with some good quality control, and some innovative products, I really think they have a shot. The hard part will be to separate themselves from the cheap Chinese watch stigma, and the companies that actually produce the total junk. That's like saying all swiss movements are amazing, or all american pocket watches were fantastic. You can't lump everyone together and that's the stigma I feel that they have. There's swiss garbage, and junk american watches. You can't buy an ingersoll and expect Hamilton 992 results.

Anyways that may be off topic, but that's what poped into my head when I read your post. Thanks

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[libero]

So which is recommended in late 2018? Many of the initial comments trash Seagull but more recent advise seems to be to get the TY2130. Is the 2130 best short of the original 2824?

 

[libero]

So no recommendations then?