I’ve not heard great things about the st19 so I think I’d steer clear of an older one.
Rubbish! I suppose next you'll be telling us the Chinese invented gunpowder, paper, and alcohol. ;-) (hint hint...wink emoji....get it? Oye!)For those who don't know, the Venus 175 is made in China. In fact the entire factory was moved from Switzerland to China in the 1960s and the Swiss Venus has been made in China ever since.
Pretty sure you don't have any made in China product
OP you should be fine. The ST19xx is a fine movement--As some of my humor-challenged colleagues note, it is the modern day Venus 175. And the one beating in my HKED 1963 Chrono (the middle watch in the photo above) handily outperformed the mighty Valjoux 7750 in my timing trials. To be sure, QC can be an issue with Chinese watches in general, but don't let the carelessness of some watchmakers turn you off of the movement itself. It's a proven design, and capable of keeping excellent time. Good luck.Well I just ordered against better judgement. I have to admit this might be a too good to be true deal as the watch goes for around double of what I paid. Hope I dont regret this but I have a 30 day return period in case things dont work out.
I bought the Alpha just to try the "iconic" design and yes, I recommend a Seagull 1963 instead of the Alpha, I confirm what I said. Building quality is miles away on the D304.And you're the guy who said "I have two ST19 watches, one is a cheap Alpha Paul Newman" and "I would avoid cheap knock-off manufacturers" in the same post.
Yes, the D304 is really good. I had a HKED 1963 and while it was good, the D304 is better. It winds more smoothly, the buttons work really smooth and the fit and finish are really top-notch. It's also quite accurate. But I still don't think it's as good as its initial price - not for me, at least.I bought the Alpha just to try the "iconic" design and yes, I recommend a Seagull 1963 instead of the Alpha, I confirm what I said. Building quality is miles away on the D304.
Yes this is the quasi-chronometer vintage Chinese watch, right?
Indeed 6600 RMB or $900 are a lot of money, but fortunately it can be found for about $350-375 that is a fair price for a watch of this quality.Yes, the D304 is really good. I had a HKED 1963 and while it was good, the D304 is better. It winds more smoothly, the buttons work really smooth and the fit and finish are really top-notch. It's also quite accurate. But I still don't think it's as good as its initial price - not for me, at least.
Yes I was also surprised, especially at the light that most affordable are indeed made in China. The high end luxury watches fans on the other side know better and few of them have a ST19 chrono, not as main timepiece but as sidekick....most of them are satisfied, or so it appears.It is surprising the amount of posters on the Affordables forum who have such open disdain of Chinese watches - I might have expected such responses in the High-end Luxury forum but here in affordables I would have thought that people would love what the legitimate Chinese watch brands bring to the table - affordable entry into high-end/complicated mechanical movements.
Not a surprise a Diamond runs well. That factory won China's annual award for best mechanical movement 10 years running.
Pretty much all of this.I enjoy my HKED 1963 with ST19. Those were closely sourced movements, of course.
On the other hand, Docvail of Lew and Huey nearly cursed out the ST19 after using it in his initial microbrand offering. Lots of happy customers, but many bad movements, apparently.
I agree that if it worked for years, it should work well until it needs a service.
The more significant risk factor is the honesty of the seller, I think.