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Hate to break it to you but I'm 99% sure the dial, indicator ring and all four hands are aftermarket.
Ok, I can live with that.Hate to break it to you but I'm 99% sure the dial, indicator ring and all four hands are aftermarket.
The original lume triangle on the indicator ring is usually lumpy and not as sharp as this. The original dial subregistor doesn't have the ring pattern, and the markings should reach the very edge of the subdial. The lume on the hour marking are usually very blooby and not as flat. The day window is vertically brushed and date window is polished on the original. The secondhand and minute chrono hand should be a darker chrimson red. The minute and hour hands are hard to tell actually. Also I noticed the pushers are probablly aftermarket because the original pushers are beveled around the top. The two flat surface on the lugs should be polished so the case is most definitly refinished. These are what I spotted so far.Ok, I can live with that.
What are the "tells"?
And what does the "-6030R" on the dial indicate?
This is really enlightening. Thank you for the detailed descriptions.The original lume triangle on the indicator ring is usually lumpy and not as sharp as this. The original dial subregistor doesn't have the ring pattern, and the markings should reach the very edge of the subdial. The lume on the hour marking are usually very blooby and not as flat. The day window is vertically brushed and date window is polished on the original. The secondhand and minute chrono hand should be a darker chrimson red. The minute and hour hands are hard to tell actually. Also I noticed the pushers are probablly aftermarket because the original pushers are beveled around the top. The two flat surface on the lugs should be polished so the case is most definitly refinished. These are what I spotted so far.
6030R is just a dial code I think. There's also 6030T which I believe just has minor printing differences.
There's no problem with it as long as you enjoy it. It's just there are more and more sellers trying to pass aftermarket part as original. Hope you get a fair deal with this piece.
Thanks for the enlightenment. Seems as some of the replacement parts are actually better than the originals....less bloby and sharper edges, etc. Since the dial has the Suwa mark, I thought it might be original with restored indices.The original lume triangle on the indicator ring is usually lumpy and not as sharp as this. The original dial subregistor doesn't have the ring pattern, and the markings should reach the very edge of the subdial. The lume on the hour marking are usually very blooby and not as flat. The day window is vertically brushed and date window is polished on the original. The secondhand and minute chrono hand should be a darker chrimson red. The minute and hour hands are hard to tell actually. Also I noticed the pushers are probablly aftermarket because the original pushers are beveled around the top. The two flat surface on the lugs should be polished so the case is most definitly refinished. These are what I spotted so far.
6030R is just a dial code I think. There's also 6030T which I believe just has minor printing differences.
There's no problem with it as long as you enjoy it. It's just there are more and more sellers trying to pass aftermarket part as original. Hope you get a fair deal with this piece.
The logo is there (sorry for the bad quality picture).To see the factory symbol you will have to move the hands. The symbol is covered by the red large seconds hand so set the chrono going and stop it.
I am no expert so thanks for the extra information.Appreciate your reply. I got my info from many places including the springbar collectors guide ( can't post a link but google will bring it up). The third picture looks like my bracelet
THE 6139 BRACELET
There are four known variations for the bracelets of the 6139-600X series. The first one being the H-link bracelet with straight ends, which was used on the 6139-600X series from its introduction until 1973. After this period, the H-link bracelet with tapered ends were used until the end of production. Another variation is what is commonly termed as the Stelux bracelet. It is unsure when this particular type was used, but is usually seen combined with the silver dial. The last variation is those seen for the versions intended for the Japanese market, or what is commonly referred to as "JDM bracelets". This variation was used for the JDM models all throughout
So mine is a 1975 and looks like the Stelux which conceivably works?
I admit I could be wrong on every point but no one can say he did not do his research. I did to the best of my understanding.
Many years ago I read an essay by Umberto Ecco called faith in fakes ( author of a lot of stuff and films too ) . Why is the THE Mona Lisa worth more than a perfect copy?
My answer . It connects me with the past in my mind.
Wore the watch again today. It's certainly getting wrist time.
In the next six months I am going to buy another seiko. A bellmatic. An actual bell on your wrist. Brilliant.
Richard
I would like you to imagine a scenario . Your May 1975 pogue was owned by a dashing special services operative who in 1976 was into racing Yacuza gangsters up Mount Fuji in an e type jag.Boo my sub dial indices don't hit the edge of the dial. Does this indicate after market as per springbar guide above?