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How to change a main-spring barrel on Vostok 2409/2414; the short-cut method.

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Sometimes on a hand-wound Vostok 2409/2414 the main-spring breaks. This can be due to metal fatigue or, which seems to be a Vostok 2409/2414 weak-spot, the end of the spring (the bridle) breaks off. The indication are often that you can wind the watch only a few turns before you hear the spring "slipping". The power-reserve is down, or you don't have any power-reserve at all.

The proper way of replacing a main-spring barrel by a Vostok consist of stripping nearly the whole movement; the hands, dial, canon-pinion, balance-assembly, pallet-fork, train-wheel bridge, wheel-train and finally the barrel-bridge have to come off. This also means cleaning and oiling while assembling.

However, with the Vostok 2409 / 2414 we are in "luck". That's to say that there is a short-cut and the cut is so short that the movement can even stay in its housing. But as with all short-cuts, there are risk !

Below I will describe in great detail how I do this short-cut. It may not be perfectly done and written, but this method works for me and I hope that you do understand.
Also, if you decide to attempt this short-cut, you will do it on your own risk ! Don't knock on my door if things do go down south .....
Last but not least, use your own common-sense !

Now that the CYA-part is out of the way, let's start without further ado .....

Tools needed;
  • Finger cots
  • Case opener
  • Tweezers
  • Pointed Pegwood (3mm) or wooden toothpicks
  • Watch screwdriver with 1.2mm blade
  • Small container to store / safe-keeping parts
  • magnification to suite your needs.
  • A new complete mainspring barrel (containing a lubricated main-spring) for a Vostok hand-wound 2409 or 2414
  • Oiler and some thick watch-oil.
  • optional; Silicon grease.

The 2409/2414 short-cut method;

Our appointed volunteer is a rather handsome CCCP Komandirski with a Vostok 2414 movement. The procedure below is identical for a Vostok 2409 movement.

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Undo the back-lid and remove the rubber-ring;

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Best is to start this procedure when the power-reserve is exhausted. In case that there is still some power on the main-spring, proceed as follows;

When the watch is wound, the crown rotating clockwise, the ratchet-wheel turns clockwise and the click, pushed by the ratchet-wheel teeth, turns anti-clockwise, allowing the ratchet-wheel teeth "free passage". As soon as the crown is released, the ratchet-wheel starts turning anti-clockwise, the click pushed by a spring (click-spring) turns clockwise and thereby locking the ratchet-wheel. For releasing the power stored in the main-spring we have to prevent the click from locking the ratchet-wheel. To do so proceed as follows;

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Wind the watch a little and push the click with the tweezers slightly further anti-clockwise, hold it there. Carefully allow the crown to slip through your fingers, slowly releasing the tension in the main-spring. Continue until all the power is released and the ratchet-wheel stops rotating anti-clockwise. Release the crown & the click.

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Now it's save to remove the ratchet-wheel screw.

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Remove ratchet-wheel & screw and store them for safe-keeping in a small container.

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Undo all three (3x) barrel-bridge screws and store them for safe-keeping in the small container.

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Now we come to the tricky part !
The barrel-bridge has only a limited amount of free movement. Since we are taking a short-cut delicate wheels are in the way and if the barrel-bridge is lifted beyond its free movement, you will start to do "irreversible" damage to the wheels and the movement !! So, take great care !!

Lift the barrel-bridge so that it's free of the main-plate and free to move; no more! You can now see the old spring-barrel exposed.

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Hold the movement on its side as shown in the picture. You may have to lift the barrel-bridge with a pointed pegwood / toothpick slightly more, poke a little against the old spring-barrel, you may have to tilt the movement a bit further, shake or tap it very gently until the old spring-barrel drops out. Let it all be under its own weight, let gravity do its work, never over-extend or use any force. Above all, take your time, the old spring-barrel will drop-out, eventually .......

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When the old spring-barrel comes out, remove it carefully and place it far away, not to be mixed-up with the new spring-barrel.

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Since proper oiling can not be done, wet both arbor ends with a tiny drop of thick oil, I'm using Dr.Tillwich 3-5 oil;

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Put the movement flat and very carefully lift the barrel-bridge, just enough to slip the new spring-barrel in (check barrel for correct orientation before inserting ! ).

Again; do not go beyond the point were you feel any resistance. Take your time; as far as I'm aware, nobody has ever won a price for a Vostok main-spring change-out ! ?

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With the new spring-barrel in, very gently push the barrel in until it drops down and until you feel that it is "home".

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Gently start closing the barrel-bridge. It should close without using any force. If it doesn't, lift the bridge slightly and check the correct seating of the new spring-barrel. The barrel-bridge should close easily and make sure that along the full bridge-length that the edges are flush & fully closed onto the main-plate; as shown in the picture;

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Once happy, insert the three (3x) barrel-bridge screws and screw them down not beyond the point that you feel the slightest resistance. Again check that the barrel-bridge sits flush onto the main-plate.

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Replace the ratchet wheel. Make sure that the square hole in the middle of the ratchet-wheel lines up with the arbor-square and that the teeth of the click locks in the middle / between two ratchet-wheel teeth. You can wind the watch a few clicks to see if everything engages as it should.

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Insert the ratchet-wheel screw. Once done, you can wind the watch some more and the balance-wheel should start ticking.
If all looks fine and the watch winds as it should, you can tighten the three (3x) barrel-bridge screws.

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To tighten the ratchet-wheel screw, I stick a pointed peg-wood between the crown-wheel and the ratchet-wheel and tighten the ratchet-wheel screw a bit more. Don't over-do it, these screws can break / twist-off !

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Replace the sealing rubber. For additional water resistance you can put some silicon-grease on the rubber.

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Replace and tighten the back-lid ......

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Job done ! ?

If I missed some crucial steps or if steps can / need clarification, please let me know so I can edit.

Suc6;

EndeavourDK.
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Thank you so much Roland I will try this later today and post the results. Do you have all of your tip's and tutorials in one master post? if you do not you should consider doing so. It would be great to be able to reference all of your information for the different calibers.
As always great job sir and thanks again! (y);)
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Hi Jim;

I'm working together with our moderator Chascomm to create enough technical mass to justify a separate "technical section". The tutorials so far are placed (temporary?) in the section "Articles" on top of the WUS-page.
Others who are willing to write tutorials or "Walk-throughs", or revamp old tutorials they have written, are very welcome to do so.
They have to be written in separate threads so they can later be linked / referred to.
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I can understand why someone might want to do this for the sake of doing it and the write up given is top notch. However, my shortcut would be to just replace the entire movement for $25 or so.
I can understand why someone might want to do this for the sake of doing it and the write up given is top notch. However, my shortcut would be to just replace the entire movement for $25 or so.
nope. This is not a shortcut. Replacement of the movement will take you much longer time (you will need to take the dial and hands off and then refit them). :)

the above shortcut is done by pretty much all watchmakers (who do this movement) but I would echo the OP: it looks easy but you for sure can bend things if you are clumsy or a bit too strong. Then you will proceed to the 2nd 'shortcut': replacing the movement.
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the above shortcut is done by pretty much all watchmakers (who do this movement) but I would echo the OP: it looks easy but you for sure can bend things if you are clumsy or a bit too strong. Then you will proceed to the 2nd 'shortcut': replacing the movement.
I like the way you wrote it and made your point ! ?
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nope. This is not a shortcut. Replacement of the movement will take you much longer time (you will need to take the dial and hands off and then refit them). :)

the above shortcut is done by pretty much all watchmakers (who do this movement) but I would echo the OP: it looks easy but you for sure can bend things if you are clumsy or a bit too strong. Then you will proceed to the 2nd 'shortcut': replacing the movement.
Vostok watches are meant to be field serviceable by people who aren't watchmakers. I get this might be the solution a watchmaker might take for a repair, but personally if I have to crack the case to make a repair, I'm going to just replace the entire movement because it gives me an entirely new service interval and it's cheap. Pulling the hands and refitting them can be done quite quickly if you've done it a few times.
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Well ..... I am starting on it right now I will give first hand experiences.
Vostok watches are meant to be field serviceable by people who aren't watchmakers. I get this might be the solution a watchmaker might take for a repair, but personally if I have to crack the case to make a repair, I'm going to just replace the entire movement because it gives me an entirely new service interval and it's cheap. Pulling the hands and refitting them can be done quite quickly if you've done it a few times.
No offense but this is an 'American way'. Soviet watchmaker will not even think this way :) It is wasteful. Mainspring is $5 while movement is 5 times more! I know that new movement is cheep. Hey, new watch is also cheep. Why bother?

I had heated debates with 'western' watchmaker about philosophy of just replacing things. Like: 'when I service any watch I replace mainspring'. Why? Was it broken or performed badly? No, just because manufacturer recommends this. Of course thy recommend this so they can sell parts. But this is wasteful and costly.
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Well ..... I am starting on it right now I will give first hand experiences.
just wiggle the barrel and eventually it will come out.
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Wow ..... how easy was that, it was a cake walk. the whole procedure took maybe 20 minutes and that included dusting off my watch bench and getting out the tools. The hardest part for me was getting out the old barrel but I helped it out a little with a pair of tweezers. It was definitely easier than replacing the movement and I did not have to pay for a movement.
Good deal, thank you Roland and Odessa. Seriously it would be nice to have a dedicated technical section as it would help many. thank you so much Roland, James.
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Glad I could be of any help ;)
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You have always helped me Roland (y) (y) (y)
Best regards my friend.
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What a fantastic post, thank you Roland!

A tech section would be brilliant for WUS.
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Long time ago!

Cheers...
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I've used this method before, but as Roland said you must be very careful not to bend the center wheel post.

This is indeed the easier yet not so correct way as fitting the trainbridge and the whole wheel train can get you to throw a fit. Assembling the rest of the movement isn't too hard but wheeltrain that has taken me an hour last time i've tried a few days ago. (Granted i haven't done any serious watchmaking in a while)
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No offense but this is an 'American way'. Soviet watchmaker will not even think this way :) It is wasteful. Mainspring is $5 while movement is 5 times more! I know that new movement is cheep. Hey, new watch is also cheep. Why bother?

I had heated debates with 'western' watchmaker about philosophy of just replacing things. Like: 'when I service any watch I replace mainspring'. Why? Was it broken or performed badly? No, just because manufacturer recommends this. Of course thy recommend this so they can sell parts. But this is wasteful and costly.
The problem is how would you know that's what needs to be done? You could buy a barrel, spend, the time replacing it, and still wind up replacing the whole movement anyway because that didn't fix your problem and you've wasted more. While replacing the entire watch is an option, you may not be able to find the same dial and case combination.
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I had a question about the barrels for the 2409/2414 and 2416/2415
are the barrels physically the same and the spring lengths are internally different for the different movements?
I have some new ones I purchased but they are not marked so how do I tell which one it is?
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The problem is how would you know that's what needs to be done? You could buy a barrel, spend, the time replacing it, and still wind up replacing the whole movement anyway because that didn't fix your problem and you've wasted more. While replacing the entire watch is an option, you may not be able to find the same dial and case combination.
I guess it depends on what the symptom is, my problem was pretty straight forward and I am interested in eventually repairing my own movements. It would be nice to know for sure the movement is running correctly. I do see your point, a new movement is the cure all but I have had brand new movements run like crap right out of the box as well.
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I had a question about the barrels for the 2409/2414 and 2416/2415
are the barrels physically the same and the spring lengths are internally different for the different movements?
I have some new ones I purchased but they are not marked so how do I tell which one it is?
barrels and springs are different. Manual spring and barrels are 'attached' to each other by small protruding tabs on the outer spring end. Automatic barrels and springs are not (this way you can keep winding such watches forever w/o reaching the stop).
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