You are still a Poser...:-d....Even here...;-)

You are set on getting your self banned.

 

bro, it's time for you to move on, let it go... Panerai and Rolex are not high end...

 

I posted this in the Rolex forum and I'm getting killed! Do you agree with th...

Why does this post belong here?
Your Panerai is probably not "high end" nor is it better than the venerable Submariner.

Don't act like you are better than anyone with a Rolex.
It's not like you just bought a minute repeater. Get some perspective and go away, troll.

 

Re: I posted this in the Rolex forum and I'm getting killed! Do you agree with th...

Subs in F381, the apocalypse is nigh.

Sometimes you see a lot of something because it is indeed good or great in its category, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

 

Here's this nautical themed picture, print it on some nice glossy paper, frame it, and prop it next to your Panerai box.

All the best.

 

I'm not trying to be a hater or a troll

Not only a troll, but perfidious too. Lucky day.

 

I'm glad you are happy with your Panerai. They are very nice watches. I do have several thoughts on you post...

I would not qualify either Rolex or Panerai as high end brands. For 8k, you would be hard pressed to buy something considered high end, although it could probably/arguably/almost be done with JLC, GO, and a few small independent companies...

I think that there is a lot that is appealing about Rolex, whether or not it is for you, or is worth the money is another question. They utilize rock solid movements that can go for many year between servicing, use high quality hard steel that most brands do not, are almost all water resistant to 100m with a screw down crown suitable for swimming, has brand name recognition with virtually everyone and is considered prestigious by many, and the brand has many historical ties/firsts.

I respect the aesthetic of Panerai, don't get me wrong, but I find it interesting how you can say that the Submariner is run of the mill and overexposed when a critic could assert that large percentage of Panerai are all very similar looking to each other...

In any case, I am glad you are happy with your purchase, and I hope you enjoy your watch.

 

I would be more glad if he is banned from these forums for trolling so he can go back to his apartment room and think about what he did wrong.

 

I have been looking at high-end watches for about a year now. The Rolex Submariner was on my short list. You know when you're looking at a new car then start to see that car everywhere. I started seeing Rolex's everywhere and I mean everywhere. I live in Chicago and would see a Rolex Sub multiple times per day.

I just don't get it - if you're a true watch enthusiast why on earth would you want a watch that's a dime a dozen? I also feel like there's two types of people that wear a Rolex. You're either a poser with moneyand no nothing about watches,just want a "look at me watch" or you understand the Rolex quality.

I was pretty dead set on a Sub till I noticed it all day every day. That killed it for me. I guess it's just me, but I don't understand why you can label yourself as a WIS and passionate about watches then go out and spend $8K+ on a common, run of the mill Submariner then post pics of it like you just discovered the most unique time piece of all-time. It's like buying a black BMW 5 series and being like, look how sophisticated I am!

I used to think Rolex's were so cool, but now when I see someone wearing one I just roll my eyes and move on. I'm not trying to be a hater or a troll, but I honestly don't understand the appeal of Rolex's anymore. And I would consider myself educated on time pieces.

Some people grumble that roses have thorns; I am grateful that thorns have roses.
― Alphonse Karr, A Tour Round My Garden

Dude...I haven't needed so many colors to highlight the key points in one post in a long time. LOL Anyway, here we go....

I'll begin by saying if you want a Sub, go buy one. You'll be very pleased with it.

Red:
There're a lot of financially comfortable folks in Chicago, a place having a city proper population over two million and a metro population verging on 10 million. I'm sure a Rolex -- Sub, DJ, or other wise -- isn't the only fairly expensive personal item you frequently see. If you want to buy a watch that makes you a big fish, you have twp choices:

• Pick a much smaller ocean (city)
• Wait until you "grow up" (willing and able to more money to spend on the watch)

If you want to be a unique fish in a big ocean, choose a watch that's substantively the same as a Rolex but that is far less widely distributed and that comparatively few folks have heard of or that fewer folks choose even if they've heard of it.

Some dive watch suggestions that are styled and priced similarly to (more or less) or less than the Sub:

Note: I grabbed pics quickly and cited reveiws where I knew of them, but I didn't go looking for any. Most of the pictured watches have multiple styles, dial colors, strap options, etc.

• JLC Navy Seals (Master Compressor)
  
• Blancpain Fifty Fathoms Bathyscaphe (Baselworld 2013: The Blancpain Fifty Fathoms Bathyscaphe Watch Hands-On | aBlogtoWatch)
  
• Aquadive Bathysphere 500 Fleurier -- This one is far less, but you should take a look at it at the least - https://www.watchuseek.com/f381/high-end-diver-~$3k-usd-not-bad-1082053.html & Introducing The Aquadive Bathysphere 500: An Affordable Dive Watch With A Manufacture Movement Inside)
  (Note: I haven't read Hodinkee's article -- it was only posted a few hours ago -- but AFAIK, Vaucher, not Aquadive, made the movement; so I don't know why Hodinkee calls it a manufacture movement. Maybe there was a corporatre acquisition that happened???)
  
• Breguet Marine (more sport watch than dive watch)
  
• Bregueet Type XX/XXI
  
• IWC Ingy (A Look At The New IWC Ingenieur Automatic: 40mm And Anti-Magnetic, This Is The Purist's Ingy (Live Pics, Pricing))
  

A few that are more elaborate than a Sub but still roughly similar in price:

• Clerc Hydroscaph H1 (or other Hydroscaph model -- there are several) (Clerc Hydroscaph H1 Watch Review | aBlogtoWatch)
  
• Girard-Perregaux Sea Hawk (Girard-Perregaux Sea Hawk II Watch Review | aBlogtoWatch)
  
• Ulysses Nardin Marine Diver (Ulysse Nardin Maxi Marine Diver Gold Ceramic Watch Review | aBlogtoWatch)
  

Blue (and to some extent purple):
Well, if one is a "true watch enthusiast," (TWE) one would know that a Rolex isn't a dime a dozen. The thing is that a TWE appreciates the watchmaker's art and is not concerned with the cost or numerical exclusivity. Another thing a TWE will appreciate is the significance of a watch or watchmaker to the watch industry. Lastly, a TWE appreciates the relevance of a watch or watchmaker to the overall history of watches, as well as appreciating the history and accomplishments of a given watchmaker. In short, TWEs appreciate that a watchmaker has achieved something, be it aesthetic design, engineering design and execution, outstanding business/industry dominance, and so on.

It's worth noting that a TWE could conceivably be flat broke and be more a TWE than a wealthy person who has a dozen watches costing $10K+ each. Enthusiasm in something is about carrying one's interest as far as one can given the constraints one faces. A mendicant who spends his days in the public library researching "whatever" about watches, watch companies/makers, the differences among various ways that movements, cases, dials, etc. are made, learning how watchmaking has changed over time, and so on is very likely one of the most truly enthusiastic watch folks one could meet. That he lacks two nickels to rub together has nothing to do with how truly enthusiastic he is.

As for "dime a dozen," well, there are inexpensive watches that nonetheless represent achievement. For example, the Swatch Sistem 51 is, AFAIK, the first watch ever that is made entirely by an automated process. The watch itself isn't so special, but what it represents -- the potential for ushering in a totally new approach to watchmaking -- is. A TWE will recognize that. S/he may or may not buy a Sistem 51, but s/he won't fail to give credit where it's due. S/he will recognize the watch and the process for what it is and hold it in the appropriate perspective.

Green:
You have identified two of the types of people who buy Roleex, but there are at least two others:

• Folks who have the money and just want a nice, sporty watch that won't require a lot of input from them
• Folks who want a nice watch, but don't want one that will stand out

One thing about most folks who buy Rolexes: they don't often omit two letters and end up with "no" instead of "know." <wink>

Brown:
Why does the fact that other folks have Rolexes affect whether you should/shouldn't have one, or whether you want one or not? Surely you don't think you discovered some major secret that few others have? Are you really going to deny yourself something that is good, and that you want, simply because other folks recognize it's good too and bought one? If so, fine on you, but you miss out on the experience; they don't.

It's just much easier for folks, especially non-TWEs, to buy something they've heard of than to take an $8K+ chance on something unfamiliar. That's human nature and has nothing to do with the watch per se.

Purple:
Reread the "blue" section if you haven't alread for part of that applies to the purple text.

Rolexes aren't common. Rolex's annual production is currently ~one million watches. Even if every damn one of them was sold in Chicago, that would mean at the most, only 10% of the people there have one. You may dwell in a world that consists only of economically upper middle class (or higher) folks and thus see Rolexes more often that folks who live in less financially fortunate circumstances, but that's as much as will make a Rolex common about a Rolex as there is going to be.

Rolexes aren't run of the mill. A TWE is well aware of the differences between Rolexes and the Rolex company/brand and other makes of watch. I suspect given the first sentence of your OP that you've gotten lots of input on what those differences might be. If you haven't, here:

• Guide To Buying Your First Rolex Part 1:When To Buy | aBlogtoWatch
• TEN Things To Look For When Buying a Rolex Watch - by Nicholas Hacko
• Why It's Okay To Hate Rolex [2/98] - TimeZone -- You'll note, if you read this article, that the writer closes expressing the same theme that runs throughout this post: perspective. He says, '...If you want to hate Rolex; then be my guest but at least I hope when you do you will at least give the devil his due."
• Rolex Watches: Should You Buy One? - AskMen

I'm sure you don't want to be a "troll." Trolls are not attractive. LOL Plus, trolls don't wear watches.. I don't know enough "trolls" to, like, comment on their grammar skills. <wink>

("Troll" seems to have replaced "boor" and "provocateur" in English vernacular. Quite frankly, I wish it hadn't.)

As for being a Rolex hater, one or two of the links immediately above address that matter. I say be a hater if you want to or must, but if I want another Rolex, I'm going to buy it regardless of what you or anyone else thinks about it.

Conclusion:
If I were asked to speculate, after reading your thoughts, I'd say that what you don't understand and want to is why there is snob appeal associated with Rolexes. I say that because the vast majority of your wonderment seems focused on the Rolex imange rather than on the Rolex watch and company. You can be a wach snob if you want to; the only thing that requires is money and the willingness to tell everyone else what's wrong with their preferences and buying decisions. Keep in mind, however, that snobbery generally says more about the snob than it does the object of the snob's derision. Lastly, just know that TWEs are not watch snobs.

(If you want to be a watch snob, ou don't have to have $$$, or a watch for that matter, but it helps. LOL)

All the best.

In all affairs it's a healthy thing now and then to hang a question mark on the things you have long taken for granted.
― Bertrand Russell

PS
You surely noticed I took a couple "jabs" at you. There's a reason for that. I have sincerely tried to give you helpful information in the hope that the questions and circumstances you discussed issue from genuine naivete and not boorishness or snobbery. I tossed in those two small jabs because even as I want to provide helpful and comprehensive input to you, I want to make clear that your OP inspired other thoughts in my mind as well. The jabs allude to some of those thoughts, but I don't care focus on them becasue I don't know you and can't be certain of whether I'm right or not. If you truly just plain don't understand the things you mentioned you don't, I apologize now for taking the jabs.

 

Dude...

That made me grin from ear to ear when typed from your hands Tony!

Provocateur, love that word. Too many letters for today's internet though. I think of this forum as an agent provocateur pushing us to commit to purchasing more and more watches.

 

Omg tony I can't believe you took so much effort to write that for this trolling, I 'm afraid your words might have been wasted.

 

Get an mdv 106, then.

Tlapatlaked

 

Good articles Tony...I myself am trying to understand Rolex more.


Sent from my 16M

 

As I said in the Rolex post, the OP is clearly influenced by other people and is now just seeking conformation that he made the right choice. In reality he made the wrong choice as he did not make it for him. He made it for other people.

He is actually the exact person he does not want to be. A poser. An idiot.

 

Sorry folks, i was having a nap, but here i am now ;-)

This "T" thread is officially closed!