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This pocket watch was my great grandfather's, I believe he bought it before WWI, but he might have bought it when he was in France fighting or when he got back.


There aren't many identifying markers. Only 'Swiss Made' stamped on the inside. The number '22' on the inside of the casing, and the number '58830' below that. The thing that I love is that the inside is engraved with intricate patterns, arrows and stars mainly.


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Any information would be great, thanks.
 

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After a bit of research I found a very, very similar face on W. G. Clark/William Clark/William Clarke & Son pocket watches and clocks. Would I be right in saying this is a Clark watch, or is it a very common face?
 

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The face is extremely common - so no good really for an ID. The movement looks familiar, but my braincells are struggling at the moment. It is quite an early movement, and ID of these is difficult.

If you could supply the dimension of the movement (not case) - it will be easier to look. Even a close match will still be a guess, unless you can get a watchmaker to remove the dial and photograph the dial side of the movement.
 

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The face is extremely common - so no good really for an ID. It looks familiar, but my braincells are struggling at the moment. It is quite an early movement, and ID of these is difficult.

If you could supply the dimension of the movement (not case) - it will be easier to look. Even a close match will still be a guess, unless you can get a watchmaker to remove the dial and photograph the dial side of the movement.
Bugger, I collect a lot of things and I always hate when the maker doesn't leave their name on the piece. I have a bunch of century old pipes with absolutely no way of identifying them.

The movement has a 39mm diameter. I guess the movement will be the only real way of identifying it?
 

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The movement looks rather like an early Omega pocket watch movement:

bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Omega 19'''

However, before you get your hopes up too high, I know that there were a fair number of knock offs of these movements by other makers. Even if it is a real Omega movement, it is of one of the lower quality grades (poor finissage, only seven jewels or even fewer from what I can see from here, no elaborate fine adjustment on the balance.....).

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I also thought it could be an early Omega movement, although I've never saw one with the two piece
barrel and crown wheel bridge.
 

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The movement looks rather like an early Omega pocket watch movement:

bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Omega 19'''

However, before you get your hopes up too high, I know that there were a fair number of knock offs of these movements by other makers. Even if it is a real Omega movement, it is of one of the lower quality grades (poor finissage, only seven jewels or even fewer from what I can see from here, no elaborate fine adjustment on the balance.....).

Hartmut Richter
I also thought it could be an early Omega movement, although I've never saw one with the two piece
barrel and crown wheel bridge.
How can you see the jewels? I can only see three. And two of those look like they're missing. I had a look and it really does look like a lower quality version of an Omega, it looks very similar to the Omega Grand Prix movement. I thought Omega would mark all of their watches though.

Pretty sure it isn't an Omega. I wonder if the star on the cock means anything.
That's what intrigues me the most, it's probably the only identifying mark on it.
 

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How can you see the jewels? I can only see three. And two of those look like they're missing. I had a look and it really does look like a lower quality version of an Omega, it looks very similar to the Omega Grand Prix movement. I thought Omega would mark all of their watches though.
For the most part, they do, but usually under the dial. Omega built a lot of "jobber" watches (designed to be personalized for the customer or retailer), and these would be mostly blank on the back with text being added later. However, even those watches would typically have the serial number put somewhere.

The design is certain similar to the Omega 19, but there are some subtle differences. Is there really only one case screw, or is the other one cut off in the photo? The pallet bridge is different, and the click is closer to a cortebert then what Omega used.
 

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For the most part, they do, but usually under the dial. Omega built a lot of "jobber" watches (designed to be personalized for the customer or retailer), and these would be mostly blank on the back with text being added later. However, even those watches would typically have the serial number put somewhere.

The design is certain similar to the Omega 19, but there are some subtle differences. Is there really only one case screw, or is the other one cut off in the photo? The pallet bridge is different, and the click is closer to a cortebert then what Omega used.
The number imprinted in the back of the case wouldn't be a serial number would it? Thanks for all the information, I'm thinking about taking it to a jeweler to disassemble and see if there's a logo or name on the inside. Maybe get them to service it at the same time. Hopefully it wont cost too much.
 

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The number imprinted in the back of the case wouldn't be a serial number would it? Thanks for all the information, I'm thinking about taking it to a jeweler to disassemble and see if there's a logo or name on the inside. Maybe get them to service it at the same time. Hopefully it wont cost too much.
The number in the case back would indeed be a serial number
On Swiss watches the case serial number and the movement serial number seldom match.
Omegas would normaly have a serial number visible on the movement even if a 'jobber', I agree with Trim that this isn't an Omega
although it has the look.


How can you see the jewels? I can only see three. And two of those look like they're missing. I had a look and it really does look like a lower quality version of an Omega, it looks very similar to the Omega Grand Prix movement. I thought Omega would mark all of their watches though.

7 jewels is the usual for this type of watch but most of these are not readily apparent to the naked eye, you need to get up close to the balance with
good magnification and peer into the 'cave' of the escapement to see these jewels.
 
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