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I keep wishing for a Lefty Frogman, but with such a limited target maybe:

It is time for Casio to create another line of Non-Assymetrical Frogmans! Like a big version of the MRG-1, minus the biodegradable resin. Call it the MRG-Prime. All metal, all digital. Time visible in all modes. Screwback, but with a central battery hatch, CR2032 cell, and reset contacts accessible from there. Two adjustable alarm volumes, loud and raise the dead loud. Two adjustable backlight levels, stealth and normal. An actual LED light (in an eye, of course), red, green or amber, with two light levels, map-reading bright, and light-your-path bright. Zulu adaptors. Screwed down removable bullbars.


If Casio does not fill this niche, then eventually some other company will. Freestyle (remember the Billet?), or Victorinox, or RipCurl. Maybe even Nixon, or Fossil, or Guess. But I really want the toughness, build quality and dependablity of the G.


I hope Casio is looking at stuff like this going forward, to stem the tide of humans who are abandoning watches for the seductive functions of the smartphone. Give people a reason to wear watches again, Casio! And take my money.
 

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Casio had proposed this concept, from the 2013 G-Shock The World event:



This concept Frogman would have an air release valve. I expect it would also have built-in Bluetooth, so that data can be easily transferred from the watch to a mobile phone or other computer device. My hope would be that depth indication would be included. However... I certainly hope that LCD display would be more conventional. The skewed perspective looks too trendy, IMHO.
 
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I clicked the Like button, because I could not see a Dislike button, LOL! jk.

I remember seeing those. And I, for some odd reason, had purged those from my memory...

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Casio had proposed this concept, from the 2013 G-Shock The World event:



This concept Frogman would have an air release valve. I expect it would also have built-in Bluetooth, so that data can be easily transferred from the watch to a mobile phone or other computer device. My hope would be that depth indication would be included. However... I certainly hope that LCD display would be more conventional. The skewed perspective looks too trendy, IMHO.
Actually, thanks. No, really. I HAD forgot about those, and they are relevant to the discussion. And what the heck are those three beveled circular objects on the "Frog"? Lights? Frogman-Light?
 

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You're welcome, Zabat. :) I screen grabbed from the G-Shock video. Those are actually not lights but indicators. It's a weird "3D" kind of aesthetic, which I think looks too much like a gimmick. Concepts can be like that. I do not expect they'd make it look like this. OTOH, the Iceman and Heatman are more credible prototypes. If they do make those, I hope the lug end pieces won't protrude like that because they'll be a PITA with catching on things (you don't want that with a watch when doing extreme sports!).
 
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I keep wishing for a Lefty Frogman, but with such a limited target ...
I'm a righty so Frogs are fine for me, but I fully sympathize with my lefty brothers' needs zabat!

I always thought it would be a pretty simple design choice to make the Frog lefty-friendly using a bit more symmetrical button and face design. With a little better adherence to symmetrical layouts Casio could make it so the Frog module could be removed and rotated 180 degrees, thus empowering lefties everywhere. True, the bezel writing would then be upside down, but for the minority of us who rock Frogs as beaters none would care. Doubt it will ever happen though, as "lefties who wear Frogs as beaters and don't care about aesthetics" is a pretty small slice of the already niche market of "people who are fine paying $400+ for a weird asymmetrical digital 'dive' watch made by Casio that is roundly dismissed as outdated by most real divers".

It is time for Casio to create another line of Non-Assymetrical Frogmans! Like a big version of the MRG-1, minus the biodegradable resin. Call it the MRG-Prime. All metal, all digital. Time visible in all modes. Screwback, but with a central battery hatch, CR2032 cell, and reset contacts accessible from there. Two adjustable alarm volumes, loud and raise the dead loud. Two adjustable backlight levels, stealth and normal. An actual LED light (in an eye, of course), red, green or amber, with two light levels, map-reading bright, and light-your-path bright. Zulu adaptors. Screwed down removable bullbars.
Sign me up and tell me where to send my wallet! I would love to see Casio actually put the stupid "eye" to good use! A little spinning wheel of triangular LCD segments might have seemed like a cool "feature" in the early 1990s, but its time has long passed. The persistence of the "eye" is as baffling to me as it would be if Cadillac still put "fins" on their sedans ala 1959 Eldorado.
 

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If they were to make an affordable ISO-diver rated square, with tough solar, depth and time that activate automatically in water and a resettable timer showing seconds I believe they would sell a metric f-ton as computer backups. I personally would buy one of every colour they want to make out of sheer gratitude...
 

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I keep wishing for a Lefty Frogman, but with such a limited target maybe:

It is time for Casio to create another line of Non-Assymetrical Frogmans! Like a big version of the MRG-1, minus the biodegradable resin. Call it the MRG-Prime. All metal, all digital. Time visible in all modes. Screwback, but with a central battery hatch, CR2032 cell, and reset contacts accessible from there. Two adjustable alarm volumes, loud and raise the dead loud. Two adjustable backlight levels, stealth and normal. An actual LED light (in an eye, of course), red, green or amber, with two light levels, map-reading bright, and light-your-path bright. Zulu adaptors. Screwed down removable bullbars.


If Casio does not fill this niche, then eventually some other company will. Freestyle (remember the Billet?), or Victorinox, or RipCurl. Maybe even Nixon, or Fossil, or Guess. But I really want the toughness, build quality and dependablity of the G.


I hope Casio is looking at stuff like this going forward, to stem the tide of humans who are abandoning watches for the seductive functions of the smartphone. Give people a reason to wear watches again, Casio! And take my money.
resin rot was always good for a couple cheap laughs but is it really relevant anymore since they changed the "recipe" in the 2000s? has anyone seen, heard or read about resin from say 2005 that has crumbled? i mean that guy hiking found a 9000 mudman which was first released in 2006, not neccessarily bought then but out in the elements long enough to acquire rust like fungus and probably ideal conditions for rot to occur, yet it was fine after a clean. if it was the resin of old it wouldve fallen apart at the sight of its own shadow lol

as for the frogman (or any mythical watch) with every bell and whistle, i always think of this haha

 

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...as for the frogman (or any mythical watch) with every bell and whistle, i always think of this haha

But that's a great looking ca... OK, I see your POV.

But I am just proposing a different set of bells, and removing some whistles: No: radio reset, no solar power. And forgoing: Sunrise/Sunset times, World time, Zombie alerts. Just the important stuff, LOL. OK, it's different for everyone! But that was what I wanted. The battery hatch, two level lights and alarms would be new, I think, for G-Shocks. It's not like anemic alarms in modern G-Shocks are a new complaint. New stuff = new customers. Maybe. Or at least it might tempt them to try them out.
 

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Rumors around here say we should see a new frog this summer, possibly with a depth gauge. Hopefully there will be info from Baselworld. That said the only thing I wouldn't mind is a smaller size than the current 1000 series for a better fit other than over a wet suit and a couple extra module functions to put it more inline with the Rangeman. The only issue is price as the current 1000 base mode is already very expensive and adding anything to a newer one will surely drive up the cost. Hopefully the new frog won't start at $1000 msrp, even special editions would be way out of reach for most people.


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Rumors around here say we should see a new frog this summer, possibly with a depth gauge. Hopefully there will be info from Baselworld. That said the only thing I wouldn't mind is a smaller size than the current 1000 series for a better fit other than over a wet suit and a couple extra module functions to put it more inline with the Rangeman. The only issue is price as the current 1000 base mode is already very expensive and adding anything to a newer one will surely drive up the cost. Hopefully the new frog won't start at $1000 msrp, even special editions would be way out of reach for most people.


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I'm inclined to think Casio probably wouldn't worry too much about further raising the price of frogs. They know the demand is high (relative to supply, since they produce in small numbers except the regular, non-limited black variants) with a low price-elasticity, quite many aficionados would still happily wait in queue to ensure they can snatch a full set of frogs at virtually any price. Definitely not good news for some of us (me included), but indeed we know somebody here is happy to shell out USD$2000+ for a frog. Yes, looking at DSD here and a few others who bought the Ti frog. :-d
 

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I'm inclined to think Casio probably wouldn't worry too much about further raising the price of frogs. They know the demand is high (relative to supply, since they produce in small numbers except the regular, non-limited black variants) with a low price-elasticity, quite many aficionados would still happily wait in queue to ensure they can snatch a full set of frogs at virtually any price. Definitely not good news for some of us (me included), but indeed we know somebody here is happy to shell out USD$2000+ for a frog. Yes, looking at DSD here and a few others who bought the Ti frog. :-d
Lol all very true. I'll still get a base model new frog even if it's a bit more than the 1000 series which can be had for around $400, though after being out for almost 7 years, unless somehow it's god awful. If every special color edition etc starts over $1k forget it, unless it's some amazing one I can't live with out since I kick myself for not getting in to 1000 series frogs earlier especially the black variations. Changing resin out is an option, but not as appealing to me. The sunrise purple is still attainable now, but if I'm going to plunk down good $ on a piece then I'd make sure to be able to wear it a lot, even just once a while to keep it pristine. That color just doesn't lend it's self to my wardrobe or persona unless I hunt down more Pink Floyd t-shirts with hot pink in them to match....which I did consider just to justify the purchase . Between other G's and dive watches on my list or saving for a nice luxury Swiss piece I'm stretched thin as it is.


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Rumors around here say we should see a new frog this summer, possibly with a depth gauge. Hopefully there will be info from Baselworld. That said the only thing I wouldn't mind is a smaller size than the current 1000 series for a better fit other than over a wet suit and a couple extra module functions to put it more inline with the Rangeman. The only issue is price as the current 1000 base mode is already very expensive and adding anything to a newer one will surely drive up the cost. Hopefully the new frog won't start at $1000 msrp, even special editions would be way out of reach for most people.
If they go the Frogmaster route with analogue hands + sapphire and keep the existing DLC screw back then I think $1000 MSRP is very likely. The Mudmaster is already at $750 and the GPW at $950, so I think $1000 is very likely. What I'm really wondering about is whether they will go Frogmaster or Frogman, it is obvious that Casio want to push up the prices by going the xxxmaster route with analogue hands, but Frogman has significant following and simply sounds better than Frogmaster
 

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If they go the Frogmaster route with analogue hands + sapphire and keep the existing DLC screw back then I think $1000 MSRP is very likely. The Mudmaster is already at $750 and the GPW at $950, so I think $1000 is very likely. What I'm really wondering about is whether they will go Frogmaster or Frogman, it is obvious that Casio want to push up the prices by going the xxxmaster route with analogue hands, but Frogman has significant following and simply sounds better than Frogmaster
I don't think they'll go the frog master analogue route or at least I'd be very very surprised. We kind of already have that with the Gulfmaster GWN-1000 which, although is not ISO certified or a screw-back, pretty much is a dive style analogue with all the bells and whistles and still 200m resist. None of the analogue G's have a screw-back. The frog has always been digital and the following is too great to mess with the winning formula and iconic design IMO. I could see them updating the digital AND debuting an analogue alongside. Whatever lays ahead will be exciting to see.


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I don't think they'll go the frog master analogue route or at least I'd be very very surprised. We kind of already have that with the Gulfmaster GWN-1000 which, although is not ISO certified or a screw-back, pretty much is a dive style analogue with all the bells and whistles and still 200m resist. None of the analogue G's have a screw-back. The frog has always been digital and the following is too great to mess with the winning formula and iconic design IMO. I could see them updating the digital AND debuting an analogue alongside. Whatever lays ahead will be exciting to see.


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I'm the opposite, I'll be very surprised if they persist with digital only on the new frog, it will be a big departure from their general direction over the last few years. I agree though that a digital screwback is more in the spirit of the existing frog, but I can't see them continuing with that strategy as they are trying to push upmarket

I'm fine with ana-digi or analogue only if that allows them to justify a premium price but give it sapphire crystal, depth metre, GPS and DLC, that would be a must buy for me
 

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I'm the opposite, I'll be very surprised if they persist with digital only on the new frog, it will be a big departure from their general direction over the last few years. I agree though that a digital screwback is more in the spirit of the existing frog, but I can't see them continuing with that strategy as they are trying to push upmarket

I'm fine with ana-digi or analogue only if that allows them to justify a premium price but give it sapphire crystal, depth metre, GPS and DLC, that would be a must buy for me
Well if they do persist with a digital, adding those features you listed to a digital G for the first time would be amazing and definitely put the Frog firmly on top of the all digital line. I could live without the depth meter, GPS and sapphire crystal on a high end digital screw-back would be awesome. 🏼️


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Well if they do persist with a digital, adding those features you listed to a digital G for the first time would be amazing and definitely put the Frog firmly on top of the all digital line. I could live without the depth meter, GPS and sapphire crystal on a high end digital screw-back would be awesome. 🏼️


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Although I expect them to depart from digital only, a GPS + Sapphire crystal digital screwback would be awesome indeed. Actually, I wish they bring back titanium cases as well. Either way, these are all nice wishlists, can't wait to see if anything is announced at Basel. I'm holding off on all watch purchases till post Basel, need to build up a war chest first lol
 

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Right now it seems that digital displays for high end G-Shocks will die. I wonder though if the pendulum may swing back. Ultra high contrast lcds, ambient light piped contrast enhancers etc. Time for something new, that challenges the Diver watch status quo. Or is Casio doomed to move this line ever upmarket, chasing fewer and fewer potential buyers? Sure, we forum humans are a very small subset of the watch wearing public (itself a small subset of adult[?] humans).

Do not forsake us, O Casio! And take our money.
 

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resin rot was always good for a couple cheap laughs but is it really relevant anymore since they changed the "recipe" in the 2000s? has anyone seen, heard or read about resin from say 2005 that has crumbled? i mean that guy hiking found a 9000 mudman which was first released in 2006, not neccessarily bought then but out in the elements long enough to acquire rust like fungus and probably ideal conditions for rot to occur, yet it was fine after a clean. if it was the resin of old it wouldve fallen apart at the sight of its own shadow lol
There were only a few models that frequently suffered resin rot. Many models from the 1980's and 1990's manage to stay in good condition without exhibiting resin rot. Occasionally there is an exception among them, but so few. It is the prolonged exposure to sunlight and/or humidity that will attack the stability of the resin compound. This does present a challenge to solar G-Shocks, even modern ones. Some folks use a vinyl type conditioner to protect the resin. Another thing you can do is on the window where you keep most of your watches to recharge, put a UV protection film on the window to help cut down on the harmful rays. While it will cut a little into the recharging efficiency, it will be minor. In the end, you prolong your resin for very little trouble.

But remember... these days there are so many different CASIO models and plenty of resin parts were created. I'm sure they'll be available for a very long time to come, long past the typical interest in a watch (meaning it will be sold, given away, or destroyed well before the time that parts are exhausted).
 
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