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Working at an international conference/event in Nov. and think this is a metal dress auto occasion, but I don't currently have one in my collection :)! I'm looking to purchase something on stainless steel (not a fan of gold atm). My price range is up to $1000, but it would have to be something really special, prefer closer to $600 - I'm fairly new to collecting and have mostly "value for the money" (under 1k) watches like Victorinox, Tissot, Orient, etc. I really like the clean, sharp look of the Seiko SARB series and the similar Orient Star Standard-Date. I think they're great watches and I'd be happy to own either of these, but I would prefer a swiss piece this time for the impression in business as many countries will be represented at the event. I know this isn't a super impressive price range, but trying to do the best I can. I also would prefer a swiss because I likely wont buy another watch in this style for awhile and I know if it's swiss and I like it, I wont question the purchase, whereas I might wonder what impression I may be giving with the other watches. I'm aware this may be a bit silly, but it would be easier for me to simply buy a swiss piece I like and be happy than to change my neurotic/ocd tendency :D.

The problem is I have come to the end of hours of searching for a similar look in a swiss piece in my price range and haven't come up with a single hit. Found some decent tissot and certina pieces, but they're a bit too casual/sporty for my aim, and the hands aren't as sharply angled. I've even searched higher end pieces out of my range and haven't seen the same look in a swiss. I feel like I must be missing something? Can anyone help me out with some suggestions I may be missing?

Hypothetically, if I can't find a swiss piece and end up sticking with a SARB or Orient Star, any opinions on which would be best for me based on the criteria above? Think they're both great, but leaning towards the orient star as my experience with orient has been a lot of value for the money, great in-house movements, and a lesser known brand globally (as far as I know) which I like. Also, as an orient fan, it would be my first orient star. I don't have much experience with Seiko other than what I've read and looked at online and they seem to be great. But again, would much prefer swiss!

Can you help me watchuseek, and save me hours of looking at the same stuff again :)? Thanks for reading!

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

Hi gang-

Working at an international conference/event in Nov. and think this is a metal dress auto occasion, but I don't currently have one in my collection :)! I'm looking to purchase something on stainless steel (not a fan of gold atm). My price range is up to $1000, but it would have to be something really special, prefer closer to $600 - I'm fairly new to collecting and have mostly "value for the money" (under 1k) watches like Victorinox, Tissot, Orient, etc. I really like the clean, sharp look of the Seiko SARB series and the similar Orient Star Standard-Date. I think they're great watches and I'd be happy to own either of these, but I would prefer a swiss piece this time for the impression in business as many countries will be represented at the event.
For what it is worth, it sounds like you have found some Japanese watches you really like but are looking for a Swiss equivalent to impress your peers. I would not get hung up on the country of origin as, frankly, most people won't notice your watch brand anyway unless they are WIS. If they are, they will be impressed by, say, a cool JDM piece like the Seiko "Cocktail Time". And you will come into $500 below your price limit.

At the end of the day, I would advise you to buy what you like.

If it has to be Swiss, try looking at some used Oris, perhaps in the Atelier line.
 

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

Have you seen the Tissot T Tempo?
Thanks! I checked out the T-classics but seem to have overlooked that one. I like it very much except am iffy about the angles where the bracelet meets the case (and if I'd want to shell out a bit more for the COSC version - it would be my first :D). I'll take a look at it more and see if I can get my hands on one at the dealer. In a pinch, I'd think the non-COSC version for < $500 with coupon would be a pretty satisfactory buy :). If you check back here, might you have seen one in person and have an opinion on the angles on the lug and the general fit and finish for the money, as well as the value of getting COSC (though COSC would certainly improve the impression, or at least my perception of the impression)?

Thanks again :)
 

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

Maybe a Hamilton Viewmatic...can be gotten for around 600 usd.
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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

For what it is worth, it sounds like you have found some Japanese watches you really like but are looking for a Swiss equivalent to impress your peers. I would not get hung up on the country of origin as, frankly, most people won't notice your watch brand anyway unless they are WIS. If they are, they will be impressed by, say, a cool JDM piece like the Seiko "Cocktail Time". And you will come into $500 below your price limit.

At the end of the day, I would advise you to buy what you like.

If it has to be Swiss, try looking at some used Oris, perhaps in the Atelier line.
Thanks Dr_Fierce,

It's true I do really like the Japanese watches. I think my main hang up is actually the impression the watch would give to non-WIS, i.e., in meetings and convos (close quarters) I think a non-WIS could see and instantly recognize SEIKO and equate it with a cheap, mass-market, Japanese brand, even though they make so many fantastic watches. Likewise, to a non-WIS I don't think seeing ORIENT would leave a favorable impression, though they would not be familiar. I know this is a bit silly and my own hang up - but if I find a swiss watch I like equally or better, then I wont give it a second thought.

I actually have wanted my next watch to be an Oris - originally dismissed the artelier date due to the second markings on the inner dial, and because it is at the top of my price range. Looking again, I think the second markings are small enough to not take away from the "elegance."

The first watch I looked at was the Oris Artix GT Day with the silver bezel, and am very fond of it, but think it's somewhat of a combination of a sport/dress watch and I don't need a casual watch atm. Perhaps in person I could better tell if it hits the mark for dress. 42mm is a bit large, but I have a large wrist and could possibly pull it off. And again, top of my range.

If I could find an artelier date used or in a jomashop flashsale etc. I'd almost certainly purchase the Oris. I will see what I can dig up!

Thanks for getting me to take a second look at it-
 

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

Maybe a Hamilton Viewmatic...can be gotten for around 600 usd.
Thanks - my hang ups with the viewmatic were the H bracelet, and primarily the word "viewmatic" instead of automatic - but for the price, I think it warrants at least trying on at the AD.
 

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

Thanks, Glenn, but while I certainly don't want ostentatious, I find the intra-matic and the Junghans to be simple... looking for a little "bling" (and a bracelet).
 

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

Certina DS-1 (though personally I would prefer and do have Seiko SARB065 "Cocktail Time")

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

While I don't have one, Revue Thommen's got a pretty good rep (and a stately, European sounding name)...usually they're mentioned in the same sentences as brands like Hamilton and Oris. Their Wall Street watch is excellently sized (37mm wide, 10mm thick), has an ETA movement, sapphire crystal, stainless bracelet and says Swiss Made on the dial. Not bad for a watch that's up on Amazon for less than $500:

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It looks to be pretty highly polished too, so that'll bring the bling factor up a bit:

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

Thanks guys - both look pretty nice.

If you check back, any opinions on whether the Certina fits as a dress watch? looks slightly sporty, but appears to be very good quality and I like it.

On the lower end, leaning toward the non-cosc t-touch tissot, which is pretty similar to the orient star date (and cheaper) so I like it - good buy? how bout compared to the Revue?

Upper end I'm leaning toward the Certina over the Oris, if the Certina is dressy enough. Any opinions?

Thanks again for all the suggestions.
 

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

If you're considering the Orient Star, I recommend the Seiko SARB017 Alpinist w/ steel bracelet.
Not too formal, yet not too sporty.
Costs about $500 excl. taxes.
 

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

Rado Golden Horse - the original was very famous in Japan and perhaps a source of inspiration for the current SARB and Orient Classic lines. Recently it was reissued:
international version (sapphire crystal)

for japanese market (screwed crown but hesalite crystal):
 

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

For what it is worth, it sounds like you have found some Japanese watches you really like but are looking for a Swiss equivalent to impress your peers. I would not get hung up on the country of origin as, frankly, most people won't notice your watch brand anyway unless they are WIS. If they are, they will be impressed by, say, a cool JDM piece like the Seiko "Cocktail Time". And you will come into $500 below your price limit.

At the end of the day, I would advise you to buy what you like.

If it has to be Swiss, try looking at some used Oris, perhaps in the Atelier line.
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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

I completely understand what you're asking and why. Nonetheless, I think this question just opened a wormhole or otherwise disrupted the space/time continuum.

"Is there a Swiss watch that is as affordable and well made as the Japanese watches that we're designed to be more affordable, well-made competitors to Swiss watches?"

I'm in no way belittling or ridiculing your question, just enjoying the peculiar circularity of it.

You've gotten some great suggestions. I agree that for all the reasons you've outlined, you'd probably be happier with a Swiss brand, and something like Oris, Tissot or the Rado pictured would be a great way to have one. Anyone noticing won't know if you bought it yesterday or ten years ago or if it's been in the family.
 

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Re: Is there a Swiss version of the Seiko SARB series?

Thanks all! These are great suggestions that all fit for what I'm looking for - really appreciate it. Couldn't help myself and took a closer look at them all already. Most have something minor that keeps me from loving it, for example, I would snap buy the tissot t-tempo, but can't get over the angled lugs.

This Certina DS-1 is one I had previously looked at, and really like. A watch I would buy just in general because I like it. I like that it's understated and fairly clean, and appears to have a nice fit and finish and could fit many situations. I've even found a place I can purchase it for about $700 - which is great as it's hard to find in the US. Originally only passed it up because I wasn't sure it was dressy enough - thus, my only remaining request is to get some feedback as to whether it's "dressy" enough in your opinon. I think yes, and it reminds me of the tag heuer carrera - girlfriend thinks no due to some minor sporty features. Don't plan to buy another dress watch on metal if this one can do it, so looking for a little confidence boost that it can pull it off, or not, before I purchase. Also, any opinions on the value/fit/finish are welcome as there's no way I could get my hands on one prior to purchasing. There is also a video on the tube under "C006.407.11.031.00", but not sure if I'm allowed to post it. Thanks so much!

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I think it's plenty dressy: uncluttered dial, understated bracelet, nicely monochrome in a sophisticated way. The only thing dressier would be a white-faced, two-handed watch on a black alligator strap, and then really we're just splitting hairs.
 
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