WatchUSeek Watch Forums banner

Is this authentic?

1333 Views 10 Replies 7 Participants Last post by  darth_barf
Hi there,

never before owned a B&R, but I'm eyeing a local auction. I do notice not all four front screws are exactly lined up over the diagonal, if that makes sense; some are just slightly askew. Does this happen to B&Rs or has this been tampered with ill-advisedly, or worse, is it not authentic?

Any and all comments and suggestions appreciated!

Kind regards,

Paul

1 - 11 of 11 Posts
It is strange the screws are positioned like that, but they don't appear damaged (the screw itself)
Paperwork and watch look legit.

Quartz B&R are all over Chrono24
Make sure you don't overpay.

Sent from my SM-G960W using Tapatalk
Well it's an asking price, I think the highest offer so far was like €700 or so.. but yes, I too thought the screws looked odd. Thanks!
They're slightly off but that could be the picture too, older BR's didn't have them align over the diagonal and it looked horrible.
I've a BR03-88 that was recently returned from B&R where it received a new battery, et al. None of the four screws is identically positioned with the others. Two are close, but each of the other two are not. Unlike Whitehaar, the positions of the screws in my watch do not offend my sensibilities.
Here is (I hope) a link to the B&R catalogue: Bell & Ross Book

Check out the positioning of the screws on the watches in their catalogue before you come to any conclusions.
Hi there,

never before owned a B&R, but I'm eyeing a local auction. I do notice not all four front screws are exactly lined up over the diagonal, if that makes sense; some are just slightly askew. Does this happen to B&Rs or has this been tampered with ill-advisedly, or worse, is it not authentic?
It should be OK. Only relatively recently did B&R respond to the inability of consumers to handle actual screw head alignment, so moved to an arrangement with fixed screw fronts, and nuts around the back that didn't need to be aligned. All it did is move the appearance of alignment to the front of the watch.

In reality it's extremely complicated (especially at B&R's pay grade) to align the screw head slots to the thread, and make sure the case is tapped with threads that start at exactly the same angle, and it's impossible of course to machine front and rear case halves that are perfectly flat. In other words, it's impossible to guarantee that that screw heads would line up perfectly regularly when the same torque is applied at each corner. However, most people aren't engineers and don't appreciate these things. So manufacturers simply hide what appears to be an unpleasant visual stimulus to the rear.

And therefore the problem magically goes away :)
Here is (I hope) a link to the B&R catalogue: Bell & Ross Book

Check out the positioning of the screws on the watches in their catalogue before you come to any conclusions.
Here is an older BR-S, from 2015.

15556350
See less See more
Looks like an interesting watch... I haven’t researched the B&R much but now I might.
Here is an older BR-S, from 2015.

View attachment 15556350
This anniversary model was actually a BR01 at 46mm from what I recall. This particular 01 novelty had a different case construction, unique for an 01 size model but built more like an 03 case; I believe screws in the back tightened and the ones in front were designed to be aligned. The aligned screws for B&R started when they introduced the BR-S models, and I believe the similar system was later introduced on the midsize BR03 when they moved over to ceramic cases. Old BR-S models the screws seated in the front could be manually adjusted, but the back is where it was tightened. The BR03 (and likely the BR01 anniversary) went a step further to make the front screws fit a square peg in a square hole to force alignment.

All older BR01 steel models kept the traditional case design where the holes were threaded into the case and screw head alignment was random. This is what represented the true feel of "cockpit on the wrist" where these days they've toned that down a bit, and they've moved away from the 01 cases entirely. The ceramic watches can't have threaded cases, so they used a screw on the back to anchor the screw head on the front. Hard to explain but if you look at the marketing renders where they blow the watch apart you can see what I mean. Over time, those front screws have moved from being pure function towards decorative, or something with more aesthetic balance in mind.

Edit: BR03 case construction, for example, note top "screw"/holes are square, back screws are round and do the tightening- http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7EkehJ5hq...YbFOkAorIQ/s1600/14517954374_2476eff2e5_c.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
See less See more
Thanks for all the replies, guys. Most illuminating!

Paul
1 - 11 of 11 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top