Hmmmm, interesting, like the contrast with the Blue hands.
That's a great question, and I'm interested to see the responses. My guess would be that there are pieces of the RGM/Weiss movements that are based off Swiss designs or using Swiss components, but I truly have no expertise in this area.I guess RGM and Weiss don't count why?
Do they have enough US content to be labeled made in the US? I think, but am not sure, they use outsourced movements, so maybe that's why?I guess RGM and Weiss don't count why?
I guess RGM and Weiss don't count why?
I agree. Any company wanting to reinvigorate the American watch market with your most “affordable” piece at $70k. Somewhat disappointing to me. JMO.Interesting. I absolutely applaud the effort. But it seems clear to me that with starting at 70k, a very specific demographic is being courted. I'm staying with the spectacular vintage pieces of high quality that are found at a fraction of the cost.
"18k White Gold Case- $85,000
18k Rose Gold Case- $85,000
Tantalum Case- $80,000
Zirconium- $70,000
Stainless Steel- $70,000".
Shapiro's mainspring is sourced from Switzerland, as are Roland Murphy's. Shapiro's claims smack of marketing hype (remember Ginault's wild claims when they first broke onto the scene?). RGM has 3 in-house movements including a tourbillon; their 801 and Model 20 movements are 97% made in America (they source the jewels and mainsprings from Europe) and have been for some time now.Do they have enough US content to be labeled made in the US? I think, but am not sure, they use outsourced movements, so maybe that's why?
Edit: I take that back, just looked at the RGM site, and see they do make an in house movement, so I don't know why they wouldn't be considered US made?
There is so much info on RGM 's in-house 801 out there, for those interested it is easily accessible ....That's a great question, and I'm interested to see the responses. My guess would be that there are pieces of the RGM/Weiss movements that are based off Swiss designs or using Swiss components, but I truly have no expertise in this area.
It's fun now to be going down the rabbit hole on RGM and Weiss watches! Thank you!
Indeed.....Shapiro's mainspring is sourced from Switzerland, as are Roland Murphy's. Shapiro's claims smack of marketing hype (remember Ginault's wild claims when they first broke onto the scene?). RGM has 3 in-house movements including a tourbillon; their 801 and Model 20 movements are 97% made in America (they source the jewels and mainsprings from Europe) and have been for some time now.
My point is aside from the semantics (not your comments) of US made or not. It is that if US companies want to invigorate US watchmaking, then that happens by people buying and praising their designs and quality. Not a lot of people running around with $85k watches on their wrist. Plus, jump in the market with higher prices than PP, AP, AL, etc.? Hard to get excited about a watch none of us will ever see in public or can afford. To be honest, I think the in-house movement standard is overblown. I only care where it is made and if it is a quality movement. A few years ago the Toyota Sienna minivan had the highest amount of “American” parts in it and it’s assembled in the US by American workers. Is it an American or Japanese vehicle? The answer is yes. Even the most expensive products outsource the vast majority of their parts. I’m sure Bugatti doesn’t make their brake pads. Does anyone freak out or care?There is a difference between "Made in America" and Made in U.S.A." Plus, don't forget Timex Documents is labelled as "Made in America". As for the movement, I would be surprised if it is a re-worked ETA 6498.
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Made in the USA vs. Made in America: what's the difference?
Look at any Uncle Goose wooden alphabet block. You’ll see “Made in the USA” embossed on it. All our packaging reads "Made in the USA". That’s because all our toys are 100% Made in the USA. Why don't we say “Made in America”? Isn’t that the same thing? Well…no. Not exactly. First, consider geography.unclegoose.com
That’s my point.Hmm, for the price I might get a platinum Credor Eichi II, plus steel Chopard Alpine Eagle plus a steel PO Panodate….
Such a cool question, to be honest, I don't know if I could justify the $2M in specialized machines (quoted in the referenced article above) needed to manufacture my own in-house movements when there are companies out there with years of expertise and history. That money could be well spent in loads of other areas.Since we’re in the subject…If you were starting a watch company, would you make your own movements?
If a company with an exquisite reputation could make what I wanted to my standards and was solely available to me, I would let them do it. Let the movement expert make my movement. I could re-invest all of that capital investment and labor cost into design, research, investment & manufacturing. Heck, there’s an endless discussion on WUS now about Rolex’s 32xx movement. So in house movements aren’t bulletproof. Your thoughts?🤔😀